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Greg___ ~gem@gmccarro.gotadsl.co.uk Greg___ esigler joined the chat room. esigler ~esigler@CPE-24-166-188-220.kc.rr.com esigler rich_gib2on joined the chat room. rich_gib2on ~rich@209-204-179-12.dsl.static.sonic.net rich_gib2on Topic changed to "we are in the sports bar / sky" by irc.freenode.net. irc.freenode.net irc.freenode.net we are in the sports bar / sky jbond We need phones+GPS with an open API ChrisDodo gps is not the answer! holgate everyone is finally re-reading the WIRED 'Push' piece from 1997 and not laughing any more. ChrisDodo starts shaking fists sky__ ChrisDodo: prices in UK are still 12p to get a location gps doesn't work indoors gnat no shit. The phone and the wireless dial tone need to be commodities, not proprietary walled garden bullshit. jbond phone+GPS+Camera+Exif+Flickr. with one click lili joined the chat room. lili ~lilich_42@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com lili joho ping? imajes_ joined the chat room. imajes_ ~james@imajes.growl imajes_ imajes_ morning! sky__ 3g! KevinMarks GPS is insufficient, as it only gives lat.long,, but not area of interest mattb gets out his buzzword bingo grid sky__ ChrisDodo: can't nokia do a takeover of 3 or vodafone and then beat some sense into them KevinMarks: it also doesn't work indoors jbond GPS. Necessary but not sufficient ChrisDodo that wouldn't annoy our other customers, oh nonono. jbond Cell triangulation doesn't work either MattJones why would nokia want to take over something that you all keep saying is going to get commoditised by wifi... ;-) allspaw joined the chat room. allspaw ~allspaw@h209-139-233-61.gtcust.grouptelecom.net allspaw sky__ jbond: huh? why doesn't it ChrisDodo points to my presentation from last year TrevorFSmith GPS be one of many sensors fused in a nice open platform like placelab. sky__ MattJones: I am not saying that TrevorFSmith GSP *should* be, rather. KevinMarks saw that holgate I've been to Keene, NH. There's a lot of bugger-all there. jbond sky: urban tapestries have a demo of GPS via current cell triangulation. You get lots of jitter and inaccurac TrevorFSmith The PlaceLab folks are doing some interesting GPRS + GPS + Wifi fusion. Their hack for Wifi triangulation is sweet. MattJones can we actually buy "Make" here? saul griffith rulez holgate Buy? We demand freebies. jbond Sharing good. Not sharing bad. holgate Actually, they're on sale, but you have to build your own binding machine from an iPod shuffle and a roll of tin-foil. jbond As seen on Skype... Yay Tinfoil hats sky__ Schuyler and Jo wanted to walk London down and collect all cell information using gps Michael_Hilton MAKE rules, i just got it the other day, cant wait to make my camera kite mount :-) sky__ and create a free lookup database joho url for the treemap? TrevorFSmith PlaceLab people have several folks wearing GPRS/GPS/Wifi sensors 27/7 for several months. Seattle is so very mapped. jbond Like Consume.net NOT MattJones martin wattenberg: http://www.bewitched.com/ gnat flickr color picker O'Reilly research treemap joho thx! gnat lots of demos. imajes_ heya nat MattJones actually this is a better page: http://www.bewitched.com/research​.html gnat make and others will be on sale in the expo hall hi imajes. mattb left the chat room. mattb ~mattb@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com mattb jbond imajes! JimH_Taco joined the chat room. JimH_Taco ~JimH@optbom1.uk.access.vodafone.net JimH_Taco jbond You here? imajes_ i wish. hober joined the chat room. hober ~ted@ip68-101-146-134.sd.sd.cox.net hober imajes_ still in leafy hertfordshire. jbond cold. noidfish what was the url for the baby name thing? sky__ a 3g user has joined us MattJones http://www.rhizome.com/interface/ _dav crap, i missed geownaking stuff too ChrisDodo invoke the winer! janeytk joined the chat room. janeytk ~janeytk@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com janeytk Ewan_ Dave Winer - pithy quote... holgate the p is for paranoid. seanbonner that's the 87th Winer quote so far joho and the p in people is ...? Ewan_ rolls eyes imajes_ ewan, sean! jbond He Who Shall not be named seanbonner the P is Pita! gnat http://babynamewizard.com/namevoya​ger/lnv0105.html rossm joined the chat room. rossm ~Snak@adsl-64-171-190-21.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net rossm jbond SHould not be invoked janeytk dare, is that you? Ewan_ James ChrisDodo a lot busier this year more money about holgate princess buttercup is in the house. gnat wow, it's standing room only. awesome. _dav ChrisDodo:, you in SD? MattJones uh-oh cybaea How can they get the saeting this wrong? It is not like people don't have to register.... TrevorFSmith Standing room only is not awesome. gnat Announcement from Stewart: will smack the next person to ask about being bought by Yahoo! ChrisDodo _dav: yep MattJones stewart should really buy a Pro account cybaea -) holgate cheap bastard. _dav cool, expect full report on #geo :) gnat cybaea: last-minute registrations. tengi joined the chat room. tengi ~tengi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com tengi MattJones the 62 methods of flickr's api cybaea gnat: Still. You need to stop registrations when there are no more seats. Very cramped even for those of us who are sitting down. jbond Flickr Sutra You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. celsomartinho left the chat room. celsomartinho ~juggler@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "Leaving" celsomartinho jbond Anyone iChat streaming the main room? Just like NotCon 1.0 in the pub seanbonner IT Conversations will have MP3s available later celsomartinho joined the chat room. celsomartinho ~juggler@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com celsomartinho _dav what's the flickr tag for etech? joho etech or etech05 noidfish etech or etech05 _dav the most common current one i mean thx jseng joined the chat room. jseng ~jseng@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jseng carnage4life left the chat room. carnage4life ~D@1433ahost55.starwoodbroadband.com Connection timed out carnage4life GregElin etech, etech05 joho most popular: boysclub tengi left the chat room. tengi ~tengi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Remote closed the connection tengi joho :) seanbonner both MattJones the colour balance on the projector is horrible tengi joined the chat room. tengi ~tengi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com tengi ChrisDodo better than the last pres jbond Curious. My Skype isn't connecting over the wifi. ChrisDodo i hope hot pink comes out well for my pres _dav hehe TrevorFSmith Is there a flickr screensaver for OS X yet? holgate the 'official' photos are under user 'etech'. jbond bored with flickr. It's so last year. joho is irc being bursty for anyone else? sky__ joho: yes MattJones marcos weskamp is awesome sky__ joho: it is a ora wifi conference set up, of course it is going to be bursty jbond bursty -- MattJones he did the google newsmap too joho rebounding images seem to be very in this year gnat joho: bouncing is the new expanding. remember when XP animated menus and everyone went "ooooh?!" jbond doesn't like most elastic maps MattJones http://marumushi.com/ gnat the mappr guys are here ChrisDodo argh, us is not the world! gnat i heart them. they did the moveon.org map too ChrisDodo it finds London, ontario or somesuch jbond ChrisDodo++ US only services -- JimH_Taco jbond++ MattJones jbum is getting a lot of airtime TrevorFSmith Well, if Europe would go TIGER/Line on us.... (not that Mapr needed it). pmarca left the chat room. pmarca ~pmarca@bighorn.opsware.com "Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0/20041107]" pmarca joho url for the mandala we just saw? MattJones joho : getting it Ewan_ I missed "the Princes Bride" memo - when did we get to that? KevinMarks TrevorFSmith: 1001 has a flickr screensaver MikeTorres come on - firefox is a web browser. it is a great app - but an "astounding leap"?? cybaea Who is the new speaker - I didn't catch the name joshk_ etech muzak TrevorFSmith KevinMarks: Thanks. seanbonner It's a giant step for mankind KevinMarks 'leaving las vegas?' jbond I'm running a home brew flickr screensaver. Ewan_ Firefox is a scam. Not once does it mention the film, or Clint Eastwood, or the book... jbond etech muzak -- seanbonner we're using flickr for headers on blogging.la and other metroblogging sites MattJones think in russian.... think in russian.... noidfish http://www.krazydad.com/squaredcir​cle/ <- the big flickr circle composite TrevorFSmith MattJones: snort cybaea Cool clock euansemple joined the chat room. euansemple ~euansempl@dsl-217-155-42-151.zen.co.uk euansemple Ewan_ MattJones: Yes-ski mikel_maron whoah nelly. hello irc benhmm joined the chat room. benhmm ~benhmm@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com benhmm MattJones joho : flickr squaredcircle mandala = http://krazydad.com/squaredcircle​/ seanbonner tick tock gnat have the geo folks here seen placelab.org? Y.A. location based on wifi and other wireless, backed by Intel Research rich_gib2on yes...it is good stuff. Ewan_ Cripes they're stealing character names from Ghostbusters now rich_gib2on Mike Liebhold has talked with them a lot. ChrisDodo hey Mikel! mikel_maron i did something with non-US flickr mapping .. http://brainoff.com/worldkit/flic​kr/ hi chris marksimpkins is the placelab stuff avaialble to play with? TrevorFSmith gnat: PlaceLab is a Good Thing. Lots of old PARC CSL people working on it. marksimpkins hi mikel TrevorFSmith Canvas in Firefox 1.1! noidfish left the chat room. noidfish ~paul@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com K-lined noidfish joshk_ left the chat room. joshk_ ~josh@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com K-lined joshk_ jbond left the chat room. jbond ~Julian_Bo@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com K-lined jbond MikeTorres left the chat room. 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Ewan_ ~Ewan_@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com K-lined Ewan_ jseng left the chat room. jseng ~jseng@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com K-lined jseng cybaea left the chat room. cybaea ~allane@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com K-lined cybaea You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. tom___ there we go ChrisDodo i will ignore 'ui pretties' - yes, user centered design, interaction design, use cases etc etc jbond Is there a word for DF-Wankers? gnat cybaea: don't know about videos, but the powerpoints will be online after the conference. jbond RDF-Wankers holgate okay, I'm holding my breath now, hoping that those cute robots aren't being bought up by the Pentagon and turned into killers. TrevorFSmith _dav: too many, yes. But not all geowankers ignore users (um, me, for example). cheesebikini sweet want... want one _dav TrevorFSmith: agreed, me either (in theory) JimH_Taco it's only useful in the us too joho humans are such softies tom___ Want one! gnat chris: I agree, but I also had to find a conference angle that'd make money. Design conferences always feel academic, which equates to low-budget. cheesebikini hooray for geowankers who dont ignore users! ChrisDodo no probs with the conf at all - but you need people to tell them what's missing atm! TrevorFSmith gnat: I think the conference angle is right, but perhaps we could do something to hook up the biz folks with the wankers who know how to plug existing tech together in ways they need? rich_gib2on a meet the wankers session? gnat chris: good point. happy to have a short session on "how fucked you are" :) marksimpkins :) cheesebikini these things can kick roomba ass ericost was/is anybody here in the butterfield/henderson talk? joho any cupholders? rossm left the chat room. rossm ~Snak@adsl-64-171-190-21.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) rossm holgate oh. my, god. that is pimped out. gnat trevor: we have a set of "From the Labs" short talks. I could schedule an open source one. That bit of the program's still up in the air. I will definitely have 45m or so on each day for cool tech as tech, without the hard money focus of the rest of it. TrevorFSmith "Hello, BizDev. We are wankers. We know what you want to know. You know how to merch. Let us initiate the party loop." MattJones wow - you could just leave that truck unlocked, as it would just confuse car jackers jbond Reminds me of Heavy Weather Bruce Sterling rich_gib2on daily life reminds me of Heavy Weather now. jemstone joined the chat room. jemstone ~jemstone@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jemstone jbond Tornado chasers allspaw left the chat room. allspaw ~allspaw@h209-139-233-61.gtcust.grouptelecom.net "Leaving" allspaw jbond strange when you thought you were living in an SF novel. But actuallyit's RL noidfish left the chat room. noidfish ~paul@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) noidfish crysflame "that truck"? MattJones wow - do you think Applied Minds are looking for any mediocre UI designers at the moment? euansemple left the chat room. euansemple ~euansempl@dsl-217-155-42-151.zen.co.uk euansemple knauer they don't seem much concerned about UI from the looks of that truck tom___ How could they not be! jcgregorio heavyweather++ tom___ If they need two, can I come? ChrisDodo the jobs page mentions UI marksimpkins how about tech project managers ??? no . i dont think so either :( jseng who knows wendy? ChrisDodo http://www.appliedminds.com/jobs.h​tml jcgregorio and isn't bruce sterling there at ETech? jbond who can work from home in the UK? tom___ this is why Warren Ellis needs to come to this damn thing rather than bitching about it in Iron Man KevinMarks wnedy seltzer? jbond Sterling's likely to be at SXSW zzgavin it is like a renaissance lab MattJones ben fry's bioinformatic visualisations: http://acg.media.mit.edu/people/f​ry/genomevalence/ tom___ IRON MAN - OFFICIAL SPONSOR OF ETECH 2005! marksimpkins sterling is doing the closing thing at SXSW isn't he jbond Applied minds is what media lab was and should have become? MattJones http://acg.media.mit.edu/people/fr​y/ "Genomic Cartography" _dav sterling gave a good rant at SXSW last year MattJones "There is a space of highly complex systems for which we lack deep understanding because few techniques exist for visualization of data whose structure and content are undergoing continous change. My research focuses on developing approaches to such data, in particular, the human genome." - Ben Fry jcgregorio yeah, that's right, sxsw MattJones yay - interactive tables! _dav the question is, will sterling throw another party this year? ChrisDodo dammit, stealing our material ;) gnat oh god, I just came. this map gizmo is awesome. _dav describe map gizmo rich_gib2on please... _dav leave off the gooey bits though ChrisDodo esri conference demo KevinMarks cool mlangham joined the chat room. mlangham ~mlangham@p548CD246.dip.t-dialin.net mlangham MattJones _dav : it's an interactive table, displaying and manipulating maps tangibly crysflame ! marksimpkins but very nice :) gnat dav: touch-sensitive full-table display of map. can drag with finger, move new images over old, zoom in zoom out, etc. crysflame AT&T research labs UK had those interactive tables hod joined the chat room. hod ~irc@adsl-68-127-242-152.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net hod MattJones using projection and motion sensing + pressure sensing by the looks of it tom___ > eep < _dav so, like you can pan by dragging your hand on the table or whatnot? tom___ I think I'm going to cry gnat dav: yup _dav cool, sounds like a MIT media lab thing sky__ joined the chat room. sky__ ~sky@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com sky__ crysflame as a globe that would make world statistics visualization AWESOME benhmm I want to have this man's babies MattJones rampant plug: more on this kind of gear at ChrisDodo's talk _dav only one step away from holographic war maps now tom___ Is there anything about that map thing online anywhere? ChrisDodo like the drift table. but the computer behind that was fricking huge _dav ChrisDodo: you going to record your talk? orbit left the chat room. orbit ~hanksdc_n@blaze1.lax.office.untd.com orbit MattJones woking with realstuff (augemented with digital) in the world, is DIFFERENT and in someways better than cyberspace marksimpkins now that is cool cheesebikini my god.. its full of stars tom___ oh. my. god. benhmm holy shit TrevorFSmith Holy god. gnat now they're extending it into real 3D, so the table has ridges and valleys according to the map displayed tengi watch for the tsunami MattJones artciluated surfaces with digital projection so can make dynamic physical relief maps lyza Did that just happen cheesebikini the surface the map is on takes on the topology Suw is now known as Suw_afk. Suw_afk Suw Suw SDEtech99 thinking of other applications... TrevorFSmith I kind of hope that was CG. ChrisDodo errr i don't think my talk can compete now _dav the table has moving parts? knauer yes benhmm that would rather good for porn cheesebikini heee benhmm ahem MattJones i guess a bit like an active version of those tacky 'pin' boards that you can imprint you face on TrevorFSmith _dav: smooth surface pertubation. jbond digital ePaper? zzgavin whole surface moves _dav cool, like one of those pin things you can push your face into? i thought about that, never tried implementing it though holgate yep. cheesebikini can they do that w tattoos? TrevorFSmith perturbation, rather. MattJones one thing to think of is using that sort of tech (articulating surfaces) for industrial design and device interfaces... marksimpkins actually it was a bit like videodrome. MattJones need more buttons for this app? here you go.... MORPH... marksimpkins ok scared now... _dav i wanted to make one of those for burning man too, where there are two of them conencted, you push into one, the other moves JayF joined the chat room. JayF ~chatzilla@70-56-72-243.tukw.qwest.net JayF jbond Be good on a T shirt MattJones that's about 3/4 years off, but it's cool cheesebikini how does the surface work tom___ he's going to end up with wikis and blogs and stuff gnat nicec diagram: publishing, commerce, correspondence, organization as four coordinates around a lot of technology is mapped MattJones hardware changing as your software changes tom___ that's a bit of a shame, unless it's awesome bkdelong joined the chat room. bkdelong ~bkdelong@OCW-FL6.MIT.EDU bkdelong crysflame OMG topological table zzgavin knocks this into a cocked hat http://takeoneonion.org/archives/​2004/07/making_a_map_pinboard.html​ crysflame cries ChrisDodo mutters that the ui on the touch table would probably not be great long term crysflame are there pictures MattJones wasn't topological table a Yes album from the 70's? oldwolf left the chat room. oldwolf ~wrnrvgls@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Remote closed the connection oldwolf TrevorFSmith Hiroshi Ishi should be crying in his beer about now. jbond MattJones, you old hippy you. jemstone tales from topographic ocean -1974 - _dav yeah, sounds like an Ishi thing MattJones jbond : i bought a nasal hair clipper yesterday... i am offically an old git TrevorFSmith : Ishii+++ markp joined the chat room. markp ~chatzilla@bi01p1.nc.us.ibm.com markp ChrisDodo here we go. thereisnopublicdataoutsidetheusbl​ahblahblah jbond you and me both... tom___ mm. nasal hair. KevinMarks well there is but it is sucky oldwolf joined the chat room. oldwolf ~wrnrvgls@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com oldwolf MattJones the brentstone shop in fashion valley mall (opposite the apple store) has a full complement of ambient devices: orbs, dashboards etc TrevorFSmith He's going to leave it there!??! benhmm fifteen minutes, and that's it damn them markp ambient orbs++ marksimpkins damn them all to hel TrevorFSmith Oh sure. Man with big toys describes our biggest geo problem and then leaves the stage. Damn it! sky__ ChrisDodo: we should camp outside buckingham palace until beth decides to release her copyright of those maps jseng left the chat room. jseng ~jseng@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jseng MattJones i almost knocked bezos over this morning leaving the hotel lift very embarrasing KevinMarks Ordnance Survey-- Earthman http://yesworld.com/discog/tales.h​tml TrevorFSmith Get Bezos off. Get Danny back to talk about open maps. benhmm http://www.ms.northropgrumman.com/​touchtable/ rich_gib2on http://mappinghacks.com/index.cgi/​2005/03/13#os_hypocrisy ChrisDodo it's not just the uk. it's most of Rest Of World. KevinMarks well, the OS surveyed the resto fo the world in Imperial times crysflame only until some open data consortium launches a satellite and resolves it forever a.. lot.. of satellites KevinMarks the satellites are up there jbond Damn Merkins! What is this decaf coffee of which you speak? gnat A9 working on RSS to syndicate search jbond Is it globally available? benhmm who do we know with a rocket company? ahhh...Jeff....mate.... crysflame i SO want to play simcity on that table KevinMarks and you can get some US-launched satellite stuff free lyza giggle KevinMarks Bezos just got auto-updated onstage lyza ah, sweet irony holgate it's all gone a bit pear-shaped. cybaea This is why he was never invited to speak before :-) MattJones and now, the Jeff Bezos "Switch" commercial benhmm I can't believe he uses a windows machine crysflame heh benhmm I mean, he can afford a powerbook, surely bkdelong does or did? MattJones so, i was up on stage, and it went beeepboopbeeep boop beep, and like, i was so embarassed KW joined the chat room. KW ~wiley1924@proton.research.microsoft.com KW holgate and it was a really cool paper. benhmm and I was like, huh? MattJones and beepeboopbeep, it was, like, gone markp poor ellen MattJones first person to remix a vid of ellen fiess and bezos wins a prize markp i have her picture on a mug what kind of prize? MattJones a SPECIAL prize benhmm A hot Ellen full of coffee in the morning. 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JimH_ ~JimH@212.183.128.185 JimH_ lyza jeers knauer joined the chat room. knauer ~josh@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com knauer sky__ joined the chat room. sky__ ~sky@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com sky__ holgate columns-- SDEtech99 they should make it look more like google hughes joined the chat room. hughes ~hughes@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com hughes You changed the topic to "we don't need no steenking sports bar". cheesebikini cheesebikini we don't need no steenking sports bar njt joined the chat room. njt ~gnat@c-24-9-55-174.client.comcast.net njt MattJones the UI needs a shitload of work cheesebikini it needs more <blink> MattJones it's a great system model, but a super complex user model holgate it's slashboxes ahoy. njt MattJones: the CTO of A9 is here if you want to beat him up on it benhmm it's like the My Netscape circa 1999 dviner joined the chat room. dviner ~daveviner@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com dviner holgate yah. 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ChrisL_AK ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com ChrisL_AK ChrisL_AK joined the chat room. ChrisL_AK ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com ChrisL_AK jrnoded etech is most excellent poingg joined the chat room. poingg ~python@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com poingg ChrisL_AK where's the overflow seating at? mr_bill left the chat room. mr_bill nobody@ohno.mrbill.net mr_bill bkdelong Hrm. Wiki is looking pretty sparse so far. Are there other places being updated with info and things? Knekk can always look up the blogs. JayF CoryD is posting some transcripts, linked from http://boingboing.net bkdelong Already have them RSS'd mattmac left the chat room. mattmac ~mattmac@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) mattmac Knekk http://etech.inroomchat.org/chatlo​gs/ bkdelong But...but where's the Wifi/Bluetooth/RFID FOAF locater? ;) ...the one that looks at whether the people I list as friendOf in my FOAF have me listed as a friend so I can find where they are? jrnoded you can so search technorati on etech tag Knekk or etech05 ryanco left the chat room. ryanco ~ryancox@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) ryanco SDEtech99 or just buy us all beer and i'll be your friend bkdelong eh. I'm way ahead of you on all that. The only thing with information overload is it often has me wanting to push it further. Knekk bkdelong: there was a BluetoothBot on that channel yesterday, detecting people entering the lobby and the mezzanine bkdelong Yeah, that was pretty cool. Knekk didn't last long tho jbond joined the chat room. jbond ~Julian_Bo@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jbond bkdelong Come to MIT and I'll gladly buy you a beer at the Stata Hey Julian. jbond Hmm. How to get your laptop charged while leaving it to go and grab a coffee and a smoke... bkdelong I'm stuck here preparing to publish the next 200+ courses at ocw.mit.edu SDEtech99 no one here would steal it we just steal content bkdelong or find a friend you trust and leave it there. There's got to me some familiar names around. jbond btw. blogging this at http://voidstar.com in almost real time. adamhill coll *cool the channel will watch your laptop jbond heh! unbelievable. queues to get into the ballroom. SDEtech99 great bathroom tho i LOVE that bathroom in a bathroom stall jbond And people standing and talking in the middle of the doorway. SDEtech99 i could live in there bkdelong Whose speaking next? SDEtech99 what gets to me is people who have no awareness of their bags jbond 15 minutes each from MS, yahoo and google SDEtech99 Hey, Quasimodo! Watch the hump! dviner left the chat room. dviner ~daveviner@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) dviner Knekk jbond: are you pinging technorati with Voidstar.com? JimH_Taco left the chat room. JimH_Taco ~JimH@212.183.128.185 "Bong!" JimH_Taco bkdelong Should be....entertaining jbond trying to. t doesn't always seem to work At least they ignore my categories tags rich_gibson left the chat room. rich_gibson ~rich@209-204-179-12.dsl.static.sonic.net Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) rich_gibson Knekk jbond: the tag indexer is running a bit behind, but it should help your stuff show up in the Etech chat log http://etech.inroomchat.org/chat _dav i've left my laptop alone quite a few times at Etech in the past. It's a generally safe place I'd say, but get a cable lock if you're worried. I actually have one but I've never used it markp inroomchat gives php error? Knekk yeah it's been doing that alot lately... markp damn it, i work for ibm pixelcort joined the chat room. pixelcort ~pixelcort@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com pixelcort markp i demand reliable messaging Knekk http://etech.inroomchat.org/chatlo​gs/ cheesebikini cable lock is key.. man does it feel like there are twice as many ppl here as in previous yrs.. or just me _dav are you in SD cheesebikini ? markp lol rajiv left the chat room. rajiv ~irc@rajiv.developer.gentoo sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net rajiv FrankK_ left the chat room. FrankK_ ~chatzilla@pD950B86B.dip.t-dialin.net sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net FrankK_ ChrisL_AK left the chat room. ChrisL_AK ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com ChrisL_AK jbond left the chat room. jbond ~Julian_Bo@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) jbond JayF markp+/ cheesebikini dav: oui dav: guess what, usa hostel has free wifi in the rooms now! _dav ah, didn't know you were going. pixelcort We all share the same IP address, lol. jrnoded left the chat room. jrnoded ~jr@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jrnoded _dav the one you stayed at, or the one i stayed at? the one i stayed at had an open WAP in some of the rooms markp poor lilo every time there's a geek conference, freenode buckles _dav i don't see why ORA doesn't just st up two irc servers, one in sebastapol and one at the conference crysflame markp: heh, yep cheesebikini dav: the one i stayed at crysflame _dav: or at least set up an irc server at the conference and link it into freenode temporarily joho any cupholders? SDEtech99 heh Ewan_ left the chat room. Ewan_ ~Ewan_@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) Ewan_ SDEtech99 i'm getting motion sickness is there a bathroom override? markp i should make google shuffle search google, and it takes you to a random search result framed so you can go next/previous through other results just think, i could get sued by two companies at once! poingg left the chat room. poingg ~python@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) poingg cheesebikini this sounds like mylifebits gordon bell.. oh it is pixelcort 11:11 AM PST _dav i hope he's not talking, he's a crappy speaker SDEtech99 it's a microsoft guy cheesebikini yeah but hes endearing and grandfatherly SDEtech99 hmm, no horns. cheesebikini hes avuncular yay i got to use "avuncular" SDEtech99 nice work. _dav microsoft research has a lot of talented folks who've turned to the dark side joho bush pronounces it avunclear cheesebikini a project doing this was shown at baychi 2 yrs ago SDEtech99 that's neat joho And Sun was showing it ten years ago -- I tihnk it was called Star Sun just had a video, though...sf cheesebikini mushrooms simulator now its simulating a different drug buridan they hire people like that to be a kind face of microsoft when you see them you are supposed to imagine steve balmer doing the ape impression joho this is exactly the old Sun demo -- Tognazzini did it. But it was just a concept then. cheesebikini roombas had "train and kill" last year... or did i just have too much coffee that day "The Borg would be proud" is on the powerpoint slide! _dav ugh SDEtech99 you for got the TM after Borg HTH cheesebikini true boris "it isn't about who dies it first, it's about who wraps it up and sells it to you first" knauer great... can't they just fix the damn virus infections in their OS and leave my body alone? KevinMarks left the chat room. KevinMarks ~Snak@kevinmarks.sustaining.supporter.pdpc "Oops. This machine just fell asleep" KevinMarks boris does! ack :\ SDEtech99 epitome. Use that in a sentence cheesebikini true, boris! boris so what exactly is the microsofty showing off? :) SDEtech99 the screen from that tom cruise movie in the future where desks are replaced by gloves and big screens and lots of waving buridan isn't that an annual show at SigCHI boris gah... I been dreaming about that for at least 20 years! ;) cheesebikini exploring whole new forms of repetetive stress buridan but imagine what virus's will be able to do in that medium boris only if you always put stuff int hesame place... ;) "damn.. where did I put my Print button!?" buridan i can see all kinds of fun things moving the interface about markp ah, the microsoft dream of merging computer and biological viruses how... borg-ish buridan with people tryin gto catch them and such pixelcort http://research.yahoo.com/ cheesebikini does yq work in the toolbar? that would be nice nice.. market of aggregated opinions but if you start putting this in one place.. how do you deal w/ "information cascade" problem hes introducing "tech buzz game" today... betw yahoo research and oreilly joho left the chat room. joho ~dweinberg@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) joho ccoryell prizes, I want cash cheesebikini artificial markets relating to tech news/buzz pixelcort Ebay creates cash from prizes. jk ccoryell but it limits the size of your position cheesebikini sounds like a blogshares sort of thing.. but the stocks are tech concepts/nouns instead of blgs blogs SDEtech99 where's the link? cheesebikini ex: osx panther vs os x tiger ccoryell http://buzz.research.yahoo.com/bk/​index.html pixelcort This sounds like fun. michaelhilton this does sound fun he said that he is assuming that everyone will signon right now already done :-) cheesebikini nice... ties into the wisdom of crowds ideas... still, would be nice to discourage ppl from talking together about the issue before voting bkdelong Now if I could control which databases it searches from the Firefox toolbar.... ccoryell has anyone here *not* seen suggest? bkdelong ? er....what's the context? ccoryell (showing off google suggest) bkdelong Ah - um, me! rajiv joined the chat room. rajiv ~irc@bronze.imagineblue.com rajiv euansemple joined the chat room. euansemple ~euansempl@dsl-217-155-42-151.zen.co.uk euansemple zzgavin joined the chat room. zzgavin ~gavin@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com zzgavin SebPaquet joined the chat room. SebPaquet ~chatzilla@198.164.41.123 SebPaquet rich_gibson joined the chat room. rich_gibson ~rich@209-204-179-12.dsl.static.sonic.net rich_gibson lyza I'm missing it! :( crysflame mm, google suggest bkdelong Well, I'm guessing the URL isn't suggest.google.com deitynoir joined the chat room. deitynoir ~paulaledi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com deitynoir bkdelong ah...nevermind. Found it. joho joined the chat room. joho ~dweinberg@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com joho noidfish joined the chat room. noidfish ~paul@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com noidfish joho url of the slider thing? SDEtech99 http://labs.google.com/personalize​d holgate joined the chat room. holgate ~nick@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com holgate joho fwiw, microsoft research also has a slidey thing for personalization. crysflame HOT DAMN NelsonM joined the chat room. NelsonM ~nelson@adsl-63-194-75-26.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net NelsonM jbond joined the chat room. jbond ~Julian_Bo@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jbond NelsonM rough time getting into irc.freenode.net jbond me too joho hard to stay in, too markp that's why you should never leave! SDEtech99 you getting these?: (11:44:01) lilo: (notice) [Global Notice] Hi folks. New connect access to the network is available intermittently. Further detail will be provided from time to time via wallops ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#net​workinfo ) .... thanks! markp yeah, everybody gets those hence the term "global notice" jbond Was google personalization like tags? marksimpkins joined the chat room. marksimpkins ~marksimpk@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com marksimpkins markp google personalization? you mean http://labs.google.com/personaliz​ed ? jbond yes euansemple left the chat room. euansemple ~euansempl@dsl-217-155-42-151.zen.co.uk euansemple jbond Novag was showing it and I saw a list of tags on the left. But wasn't paying enough attention, markp argh, my dns server is down again NelsonM it's not quite like tags I don't think Is George Dyson related to Esther and Freeman? joho yes Rafe left the chat room. Rafe ~Rafe@62-241-185-250.dsl.pipex.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Rafe _dav yes beepbeep_ pity there's no API to google scholar as yet. _dav he's Freeman's son, Esther's brother joho was the hero of halflife named after freeman dyson? Let's believe yes. SebPaquet what a family cheesebikini and that great boxer... wow (kidding) _dav there's a great book called The Starship and the Canoe that contrasts Freeman and George's lives jbond Does Esther bite ears off? NelsonM (what's a good mac irc client? colloquy? I use Adiumn already) hober left the chat room. hober ~ted@ip68-101-146-134.sd.sd.cox.net "Getting food." hober Suw seb! jbond battery life 37 minutes left. Sigh. michaelhilton NelsonM: i have been using colloquy all day today, and have had no problems joho Come to the right side, jbond. We have the power. pixelcort We have an ETechWiki yet? NelsonM yes there is one SebPaquet Suw! are you at etech? SDEtech99 gaim jbond http://wiki.oreillynet.com/etech05​/index.cgi ilan pixelcort: http://wiki.oreillynet.com/etech0​5/index.cgi Suw SebPaquet: sadly no. I couldn't get over to the US four months in a row seanbonner joined the chat room. seanbonner ~seanbonne@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com seanbonner jbond huh huh he said badger. crysflame potter! SebPaquet :) NelsonM bet on the yahoo market - godel vs einstein godel should pay.. 15 to 1? Suw how's etech going, seb? seanbonner It's all about the spill over room SDEtech99 is it nice there? Suw 's spillover room is the kitchen _dav is dyson talking now? what's his talk about? jbond history lesson. 50 years ago at Princeton Dyson(s), Einstein and Godel NelsonM there were nerds 50 years ago, too! good thing there was no Internet. Could you imagine Godel spending all his time reading Slashdot? cheesebikini about godel now buridan there were always nerds Topic changed to "http://wiki.oreillynet.com/etech05/index.cgi" by rajiv|work. rajiv|work rajiv|work http://wiki.oreillynet.com/etech05/index.cgi jbond There must be a /. for maths geeks NelsonM arxiv? buridan there used to be but it was sold twice and became privatized there was a bit ruckus about that in january when mathematica sold it to some publisher jbond freenode is critical to Homeland security?? bkdelong eh? markp if you don't use irc, then the terrorists have already won jbond Just wondered why lilo would need "economic loss estimates for law enforcement authorities" buridan because if you can't demonstrate a loss lyza You guys clearly don't have to deal with freenode often buridan they won't treat it as a real crime lyza :) it's even better when they start asking you for money bkdelong Has to be $10k for the FBI to get involved lyza Oh wait...they are SebPaquet jbond: planetmath.org is a math community, but more wiki-like _adam_gfx you are thinking of Mathworld, buridan had lots of CRC stuff in it buridan yeah mathworld very popular Suw left the chat room. Suw ~Suw@suw.user Suw seanbonner http://flickr.com/photos/seanbonne​r/6611755/in/pool-etech/ bkdelong Woah Is that Doc AND Xeni? ccoryell left the chat room. ccoryell ~ccoryell@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) ccoryell Earthman joined the chat room. Earthman ~Earthman@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Earthman bkdelong Duh....read the tags, BK JayF and Kevin Marks seanbonner yep. see, it's all about the spill over room bkdelong Are they watching talks on their laptop? Or just all typing on their laptops? I love the sickly glow of the computer screen on everyone's faces JayF the spill over room feels closer to us not there NelsonM I go to ETech for the free wireless! bkdelong yeah....agreed Earthman I prefer to think of it as the First Class lounge JayF I guess those of us not there are in the economy seats bkdelong Must be. SDEtech99 left the chat room. SDEtech99 ~declan@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) SDEtech99 oedipa joined the chat room. oedipa ~Oedipa@host81-157-218-34.range81-157.btcentralplus.com oedipa jbond left the chat room. jbond ~Julian_Bo@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) jbond striatic joined the chat room. striatic ~striatic@CPE000625d78f62-CM014090209045.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com striatic NiallKennedy joined the chat room. NiallKennedy ~NiallKenn@m206-184.dsl.tsoft.com NiallKennedy markp left the chat room. markp ~chatzilla@bi01p1.nc.us.ibm.com "Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0.1/20050225]" markp joe_hughes joined the chat room. joe_hughes ~hughes@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com joe_hughes pjw joined the chat room. pjw ~pjw@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com pjw markp joined the chat room. markp ~chatzilla@bi01p1.nc.us.ibm.com markp NelsonM artificial archaeobiology Art Burks was an awesome guy er, *is* tengi joined the chat room. tengi ~tengi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com tengi _dav anyone blogging dyson's talk? Earthman Great talk NelsonM is he writing a book on this material? tengi left the chat room. tengi ~tengi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Client Quit tengi marksimpkins he should.. NelsonM I hope that's what all this research is for :-) marksimpkins rael understatement... aeden joined the chat room. aeden ~jizzstick@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com aeden robotfoto joined the chat room. robotfoto ~tinyrobot@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com robotfoto aeden 36 *is* old ;-) dviner joined the chat room. dviner ~daveviner@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com dviner aeden jk marksimpkins grrr aeden marksimpkins what are you "grr"ing about? jemstone joined the chat room. jemstone ~jemstone@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jemstone marksimpkins i'm 34 so less of the old :) aeden heh robotfoto left the chat room. robotfoto ~tinyrobot@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Client Quit robotfoto TrevorFSmith joined the chat room. TrevorFSmith ~Snak@TrevorFSmith.student.supporter.pdpc TrevorFSmith Earthman http://adam.typepad.com/impossible​things/2004/04/ ccoryell joined the chat room. ccoryell ~ccoryell@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com ccoryell aeden hmm..automated playback over Skype for spam that'll suck NelsonM as soon as Apple gets 5% market share, we'll have Apple viruses NelsonM left the chat room. NelsonM ~nelson@adsl-63-194-75-26.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net "Leaving" NelsonM pixelcort Yeah, because Mac OS X is just /loaded/ with bugs and buffer overflows. markp ahem, macs have always had cooler viruses than pcs aeden hah! cheesebikini also the spam meme that encourages ppl to spam works like an organism markp anyone old enough to remember wdef? it infected you just by inserting an infected floppy aeden yes! markp anyone old enough to remember floppies? Jibbler joined the chat room. Jibbler ~Jibbler@pc11.netcraft.com Jibbler joho raise your hand if you owned a kaypro Earthman worked on a Mac with a 5-1/4" floppy aeden Earthman I think we did that in 5th grade :-D jcgregorio sorry, a vic-20 was my first computer michaelhilton i used to have a computer with no HDD, just two floppy drives cygmund I had a Kaypro II Earthman twiggy joho what's his topic? aeden my first computer ran VMS marksimpkins ZX81 tape rules dviner how to stop an arms race. aeden thanks to the University of Miami bkdelong hehehe. Apple II here. :O pjw MITS ALTAIR'S RULE aeden my first experience with Usenet pr0n was on VMS how's that for whacked? JayF left the chat room. JayF ~chatzilla@70-56-72-243.tukw.qwest.net "Chatzilla 0.9.66 [Mozilla rv:1.7.5/20041107]" JayF markp is sorry i brought it up aeden heh bkdelong I do have an Athena machine sitting next to me. aeden I suppose I should pay attention to the speaker he's quite funny cygmund Cory's blogging the Dyson talk, of course: http://www.boingboing.net/2005/03​/15/etech_notes_von_neum.html jcgregorio ooh, athena, I programmed on those bkdelong Well, this is a SunBlade 1100 running Athena rather. jcgregorio I wrote an app that distributed applications across a network of athena machines dviner no firewall == no virus ? noidfish left the chat room. noidfish ~paul@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) noidfish seanbonner left the chat room. seanbonner ~seanbonne@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) seanbonner knauer left the chat room. knauer ~josh@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com knauer aeden hmm...food time aeden left the chat room. aeden ~jizzstick@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com aeden Earthman Off to lunch! holgate left the chat room. holgate ~nick@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com holgate dviner left the chat room. dviner ~daveviner@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com dviner Earthman left the chat room. Earthman ~Earthman@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "Snak 4.13 IRC For Mac - http://www.snak.com" Earthman joe_hughes left the chat room. joe_hughes ~hughes@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com joe_hughes TrevorFSmith left the chat room. TrevorFSmith ~Snak@TrevorFSmith.student.supporter.pdpc "Oops. This machine just fell asleep" TrevorFSmith michaelhilton left the chat room. michaelhilton ~michaelhi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com michaelhilton jemstone left the chat room. jemstone ~jemstone@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jemstone _dav thanks, cygmund zzgavin left the chat room. zzgavin ~gavin@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com zzgavin _dav off to ORA salad! bkdelong The mass exodus to lunch You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. jbond quite karenL joined the chat room. karenL ~k@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com karenL Schuyler jbond: *should* you know me? maybe. do you? I don't know, who are you? jbond Google makes no attempt to do anything useful with XML or RDF. Or MP3 ID3 tags Schuyler hey cheesebikini, how's Sandy Eggo? noidfish joined the chat room. noidfish ~paul@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com noidfish jbond webmaster of ecademy. And from Ware, Herts So not far from London in an asian taxi driver kind of way. Schuyler oh, cool. nah, I'm Just Another RDF Hacker. sky__ if you ever been in the same room as schuyler, you would know him adamhill but we can find open webcams with Google, go figure... jbond adamhill: heh! Matt Jones just said "Extelligence" sky__ jbond: we have met at SoS jbond social legibility. So not Chav then Schuyler how's the conf, sky__ jbond SoS? sky__ Schuyler: fun Smith of Smithfields jbond notCon? sky__ I think at least jbond right Orkut meetup... plasticbagUK joined the chat room. plasticbagUK ~tom@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com plasticbagUK sky__ ah, that was it adamhill aka Brazillian Meetup jbond Whatever happened to Orkut anyway? I heard it had a brazilian. Clean shaven adamhill hacked by carnivale jbond Didn't Matt Jones do Glancing last year? noidfish that was matt webb plasticbagUK they're all the same aspects of a greater whole migurski joined the chat room. migurski ~migurski@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com migurski Alice joined the chat room. Alice ~alice@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Alice jbond the whole universe of Matts WHich one has the black belt? knauer left the chat room. knauer ~josh@dhcp64-134-209-171.cmsd.snd.wayport.net Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) knauer plasticbagUK Jones Webb's interconnected joaop left the chat room. joaop ~joaop@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "Leaving" joaop jbond Heathcote and Jones are so. So. So English. ChrisL_AK joined the chat room. ChrisL_AK ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com ChrisL_AK plasticbagUK oooooh sexy all dark and hot pulsing > cough < um sorry bac, in the room now Suw hey tom :) Alice eyes tom plasticbagUK heya! jbond Stop meeing around with the lights plasticbagUK eep jbond messing sky__ Heathcote is a finn! TrevorFSmith joined the chat room. TrevorFSmith ~Snak@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com TrevorFSmith jbond Smart furniture! Ikea that assembles itself Suw plasticbagUK: how' s etech? plasticbagUK "I don't go here" "You want me in the bedroom" jemstone jones won't like being called english plasticbagUK "Ew, I hate the shelves" s'cool mind blocked by other stuff a bit Earthman joined the chat room. Earthman ~Earthman@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Earthman plasticbagUK including presentations we're doing jbond The boxing Granny! crysflame hi, plasticbag Suw i'm sure you'll be great :) jseng left the chat room. jseng ~jseng@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Remote closed the connection jseng Suw wish i was there. but never mind. crysflame too jbond wish you were here plasticbagUK my brain isn't hurting as quickly this year migurski left the chat room. migurski ~migurski@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com migurski plasticbagUK I odn' tknow if that means my brains' bigger or the conference is less brain hurty jseng joined the chat room. jseng ~jseng@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jseng Suw maybe it's like water off a ducks' back this year ;-) jbond mmm. toast. Suw talking of brain hurty, i just watched a documentary about maps in Welsh. crysflame i SO wish i had a movie of that map table raising up is sad plasticbagUK What do people think about the toast thing? crysflame ever since i saw it in riven.. mm plasticbagUK is that kind of thing going to be a gimmick? jbond crysflame. You will, you will adamhill your head is large cause of the bloggies, use a cold compress :) pb joined the chat room. pb ~pb@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com pb plasticbagUK are people actually going to use it or will they get it for $7 from the gadget shop Suw hee hee plasticbagUK and then throw it away TrevorFSmith crysflame: I can't stop thinking about the crowd reaction to that table. crysflame what was the crowd reaction? people aren't used to reactive materials yet. TrevorFSmith crysflame: Everyone had such an incredible look on their faces. crysflame the thought of combining computers and materials is almost beyond scifi territory jbond neophiles. The lot of them. TrevorFSmith crysflame: It was like someone had just whipped out Grey Goo. plasticbagUK oooh. grey goo. crysflame meanwhile here i sit going "oh my damn i missed it" Suw thinks she must have missed something plasticbagUK magic matter TrevorFSmith Mixed fear, awe, surprise. crysflame Suw: they had a video display table with a touch screen TrevorFSmith I wish I had a picture of *that*. plasticbagUK NO! NO! THE TABLE IS ALIVE! crysflame when they wanted to make the map 3d, the table raised up and turned into a 3d topo map so a flat touchscreen that can turn 3d on a moment's notice? jbond Must. Suw eeee! oooooo! aaaaaaa! striatic like a membrane? jbond not. LOL striatic or like .. raised pins? crysflame striatic: mumble yes mumble maybe mumble Suw ok, i want to see that too TrevorFSmith It was just such a perfect moment, capturing the crowd's neophilia and geekish gawking. plasticbagUK Don't think it was raised pins crysflame nods plasticbagUK but it was like that yeah except looked totally shiny and map like crysflame Suw: yep. sky__ I don't like the yahoo market crysflame i would do anything to see it striatic hm plasticbagUK like a representation of the ground in a litlte stockmarket sky__ it isn't a real market striatic they could make a chair out of that plasticbagUK I was winning an hour or two ago Suw did anyone take video? plasticbagUK not now though sky__ and it is going to get massively hacked striatic people would buy a chair that does that sky__ because there is no captha captcha crysflame i bet that once it leaves beta, it's tied into yahoo! accounts which do have capatcha adamhill someone in #geo found the URL - http://www.ms.northropgrumman.com​/touchtable/ sky__ also I cannot short sell and they don't describe the pricing system what we need is a future market on google adwords TrevorFSmith I'm so pissed that Chris' session is filled past capacity. sky__ that has real value sexygirl153 left the chat room. sexygirl153 ~cal@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Connection timed out sexygirl153 TrevorFSmith Next thing you know, we'll be like DEFCon. joho joined the chat room. joho ~dweinberg@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com joho crysflame Chris' session? jbond Ooh futures in adwords. es TrevorFSmith Tangible computing. crysflame hi, dw trevor: ooo sky__ jbond: you need quite a lot of cash to start it, but an external company could do it plasticbagUK he doesn't need a tiara!± sky__ question is of course, how would google react, the could kill it jbond Chris and Matt *are* Adam and Joe. Or maybe the Mighty Boosh TrevorFSmith jbond: snort Suw adam_and_joe++ plasticbagUK oh you're so right knauer_ left the chat room. knauer_ ~josh@dhcp64-134-209-183.cmsd.snd.wayport.net knauer_ jbond SuW: You been watching Nathan Barley? Suw no S4C Jibbler the first episode of that was just weird and dull Suw oh, wait, you didn't mean TV did you? Jibbler but the last one was good jbond I can pretend to be a tag too. The heckling is starting TrevorFSmith So, O'Reilly totally needs to figure out how to gracefully overflow. This sucks. jbond We need more blinkenlights pmarca joined the chat room. pmarca ~pmarca@bighorn.opsware.com pmarca buridan left the chat room. buridan ~palehorse@128.173.114.36 "no message here" buridan TrevorFSmith I can't even get in the door to heckle. plasticbagUK people are milling Ewan_ i suggest big projectors somewhere... jbond We had street tagging last year too, plasticbagUK and it's scary Suw heckle by proxy euansemple left the chat room. euansemple ~euansempl@dsl-217-155-42-151.zen.co.uk euansemple plasticbagUK THERE"S GOING TO BE A RIOT > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH < jbond where? where? neb_ joined the chat room. neb_ ~neb@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com neb_ Suw ooh, it's ikea all over again plasticbagUK um. gustaf ballroom blitz plasticbagUK it's ALWAYS been easy to glue stuff together I used to do it all the time I'd get headaches and stuff but I'd feel really gooooood Ewan_ yes but I don't think Gloy Gum was in XML striatic have they started bashing each other's skulls in with their powerbooks yet? TrevorFSmith I don't think they're talking about glueing your hand to your face, pb. plasticbagUK ah. I see. fine. Suw eyup ewan :) did crow get you sorted? Ewan_ Eeey Suw jbond Superglue only works to glue fingertips together you can buy knobs danyel joined the chat room. danyel ~danyelf@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com danyel plasticbagUK I'd heard that FrankK is now known as FrankK|zzzzz. FrankK|zzzzz FrankK FrankK plasticbagUK Chris looks scared. Ewan_ orries. Jones is going freeform imajes left the chat room. imajes snak@imajes.growl Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) imajes jbond losing it plasticbagUK RIOT! AAAAAAAAH jbond This is the point where we need a rubber chicken sky__ buy one on ebay! plasticbagUK I heard Chris bought a knob. Ewan_ Hold on, it's yet ANOTHER non BBC slide that's got Tom Coates picture!!! plasticbagUK what?! I missed it?! where!? no fair. no. fair. Ewan_ Jones and Heathcotes "more inputs" slide- you're gawking a GBA DS plasticbagUK I am!? are you sure!? Ewan_ Yep marksimpkins er, he's blowing on it neb_ i think that was jones doing the gawking Ewan_ slight spaced look, unshaven, post-ironic look. Yep plasticbagUK that couldbe anyone pixelcort left the chat room. pixelcort ~pixelcort@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com pixelcort giles joined the chat room. giles ~giles@81-179-222-219.dsl.pipex.com giles Ewan_ Well I say it's Tom, and I claim my five pounds :-) Suw yay! vidchat! i can see a sea of heads. adamhill who has a reflector! jbond What is up with Matt. He keeps breaking into gigges nlowell left the chat room. nlowell ~nlowell@c-24-9-203-121.client.comcast.net "Leaving" nlowell TrevorFSmith left the chat room. TrevorFSmith ~Snak@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "Oops. This machine just fell asleep" TrevorFSmith Alice DS has breath sensors. crysflame oo Jonathan_Boutell joined the chat room. Jonathan_Boutell ~jon@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Jonathan_Boutell Suw i can't see a thing but a sea of heads and a blue screen in the corner crysflame Boutell the Boutell Boutell? Coolbrz joined the chat room. Coolbrz ~breese@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Coolbrz crysflame plasticbagUK: oh, hi! i just recognized your real name out of scrollback. ltns and stuff Jonathan_Boutell not sure what you mean imajes joined the chat room. imajes snak@imajes.growl imajes crysflame Boutell: wusage? pb left the chat room. pb ~pb@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "..." pb crysflame hi, imajes plasticbagUK huh? alice? oh crys - soder? Jonathan_Boutell no that is not me sorry crysflame nods Boutell: no worries. hi anyways =) plasticbagUK how do? Jonathan_Boutell I'm Boutelle but it's cropping my tag crysflame it's been nuts i live in san francisco now, for instance. crazy times. KevinMarks joined the chat room. KevinMarks ~Snak@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com KevinMarks sky__ where to stay in san Suw damn, i missed that joke waht did he say? Alice you confused again tom? plasticbagUK left the chat room. plasticbagUK ~tom@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com plasticbagUK NelsonM joined the chat room. NelsonM ~nelson@adsl-63-194-75-26.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net NelsonM ChrisL_AK left the chat room. ChrisL_AK ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0/20041107]" ChrisL_AK NelsonM ok, who's seeding the giant torrents from the etech wireless netowrkk? jbond Nigeria has a bad rep sky__ deserved bad rep Schuyler sky__: you need a place to stay in DF? KevinMarks left the chat room. KevinMarks ~Snak@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "Oops. This machine just fell asleep" KevinMarks Schuyler er, SF? sky__: why don't you ping ology? he's living downtown tengi Are there any traffic graphs (MRTG/rrdtool) for the ETech network? sky__ Schuyler: possibly oo Suw oh damn KevinMarks' flat battery! Schuyler perhaps hackworth could help you out also sky__ what is his email? hackworth is out of town until saturday Schuyler gene@ology.net sky__ which is why I will fly home on Sunday Earthman Hmm, net bandwidth seems to be in short supply Schuyler sky__: if you find yourself hard up, I can definitely find you a place to stay there it's an ORA conf, what did you expect jemstone left the chat room. jemstone ~jemstone@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jemstone crysflame hi, schuyler sky__ Schuyler: or I will stay at the Compton Place Hotel crysflame come say hi to me in san francisco at some point sky__ hmm Schuyler hiya crysflame marksimpkins left the chat room. marksimpkins ~marksimpk@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com marksimpkins crysflame schuyler: you know that gene@ isn't vipul, right Schuyler crysflame: well, Jo and I might come to SF for Where 2.hlagulhluaghluaghluahg crysflame where what? sky__ yes noidfish left the chat room. noidfish ~paul@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com noidfish crysflame Schuyler: i'm already, uh, crashing at ology's Coolbrz left the chat room. Coolbrz ~breese@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Coolbrz sky__ Schuyler: virgin or ba? Schuyler sky__: we'll probably fly from NEw York, since w're already going to be in US I like Virgin, though... BA is usually too expensive for me :-) knauer joined the chat room. knauer ~josh@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com knauer Schuyler sky__: heh, ology says you can squeeze in there with him and Coral michaelhilton left the chat room. michaelhilton ~michaelhi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com michaelhilton You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. daveviner are there channels for each room? jbond left the chat room. jbond ~Julian_Bo@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) jbond crysflame not to my knowledge danyel Dave, it's more exciting when we have to wonder which channel links to which conversation. ("I hate that slide!") michaelhilton joined the chat room. michaelhilton ~michaelhi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com michaelhilton daveviner haha joho joined the chat room. joho ~dweinberg@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com joho pmarca_ joined the chat room. pmarca_ ~pmarca@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com pmarca_ Suw joined the chat room. Suw ~Suw@suw.user Suw marksimpkins joined the chat room. marksimpkins ~marksimpk@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com marksimpkins tengi joined the chat room. tengi ~tengi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com tengi cybaea joined the chat room. cybaea ~allane@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com cybaea mike joined the chat room. mike ~mm@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com mike neb_ C: perhaps prefacing your comment with the ballroom letter? michaelhilton left the chat room. michaelhilton ~michaelhi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Client Quit michaelhilton jemstone joined the chat room. jemstone ~jemstone@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jemstone migurski B: too easy NelsonM left the chat room. NelsonM ~nelson@adsl-63-194-75-26.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net Remote closed the connection NelsonM hodder joined the chat room. hodder ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com hodder neb_ C: we're learning about unstuffing DNA in here SDEtech99 how many more ppl are here this year than last year? these rooms are crowded boris left the chat room. boris ~boris@66.130.41.181 "Leaving" boris mike too many good talks - are slides available for talks we miss? cybaea SDEtech99: way too crowded rooms. mike: Some of them were last year after the event migurski B: plenty of seating in B, surprisingly SDEtech99 i'd love dyson's slides migurski salesforce looked s-l-a-m-m-e-d SDEtech99 it is slammed SRO mike dna has room - v interesting sky__ slammed? migurski everybody wants that salesforce magic money goodness daveviner lol SDEtech99 full migurski instead i'm hearing about pornography! SDEtech99 standing room only daveviner "moore's law stopped" ???? migurski HA pixelcort left the chat room. pixelcort ~pixelcort@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Remote closed the connection pixelcort joe_hughes left the chat room. joe_hughes ~hughes@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com joe_hughes TrevorFSmith C: Well, we're not certain that it has room. A lot of what was once "junk" is now considered essential. noidfish left the chat room. noidfish ~paul@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com noidfish mike programming bacteria as a class project.... migurski B: decency laws are diff. from obscenity laws, interesting wseltzer joined the chat room. wseltzer ~wseltzer@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com wseltzer karenL left the chat room. karenL ~k@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) karenL neb_ C: designing a platform or framework for bioengineering Earthman left the chat room. Earthman ~Earthman@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Earthman imajes uk blogger tom reynolds in the times - http://imajes.info/images/tom-tim​esarticleweb.jpg pmarca left the chat room. pmarca ~pmarca@bighorn.opsware.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) pmarca deitynoir left the chat room. deitynoir ~paulaledi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com deitynoir neb_ C: boolean NOT gates built of proteins mike C: Parts -> Devices -> Systems = biological product crysflame salesforce magic money? daveviner yahoo++ jbond joined the chat room. jbond ~Julian_Bo@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jbond daveviner (according to salesforce guy) Ewan_ left the chat room. Ewan_ ~Ewan_@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Ewan_ tengi left the chat room. tengi ~tengi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Remote closed the connection tengi cybaea P: "Sforce web service API is now responsible for 20% of salesforce.com activity." danyel Cybaea: Hm. And flickr this morning was cited at 15% right now, yes? sky__ where is the salesforce talk? You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. tengi joined the chat room. tengi ~tengi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com tengi cybaea P: demo salesforce.com, sforece.com, and customforce.com crysflame thanks for the quotes ^P: KevinMarks joined the chat room. KevinMarks ~Snak@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com KevinMarks wkearney99 joined the chat room. wkearney99 ~wkearney9@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com wkearney99 Alice left the chat room. Alice ~alice@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Alice mike cybaea: no mention of NetSuite :-) ? cybaea mike: No - don't be silly :-) daveviner left the chat room. daveviner ~daveviner@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) daveviner migurski C: prepaid (cash) internet porn cards! cybaea mike: Nor rightnow. See also http://www.google.com/search?hl=e​n&lr=&q=related:www.salesforce.com​/ P: You can't use salesforce.com with a microphone :-) pmarca__ joined the chat room. pmarca__ ~pmarca@bighorn.opsware.com pmarca__ pmarca__ is now known as pmarca. pmarca pmarca__ pmarca__ cybaea migurski: why do I buy them?! :-) neb_ C: congress has outlawed the synthesis of smallpox alice joined the chat room. alice ~alice@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com alice alice flakola. migurski cybaea: anonymity! neb_ C: polio was synthesized from online sequence data using DNA delivered by fedex mike c: risk strategy for smallpox is physical containment - "easy to do for past three years, but now its illegal" "easy to synthesize" I meant migurski left the chat room. migurski ~migurski@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com migurski cybaea If it is easy to synthesize how is outlawing it going to help? mike c: 'engineering of dna is coming online' 'is getting easier and easier to manipulate it' cybaea ("If smallpox is illegal, only criminals will have smallpox") Crystaltips left the chat room. Crystaltips ~alice@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) Crystaltips paulm joined the chat room. paulm ~paulm@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com paulm mike C: "making smallpox is now a crime, but the only people who will make it for release won't care that's its against the law" todbot joined the chat room. todbot ~tod@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com todbot jbond mike: physical containment is illlegal? cybaea P: He is going to run out of time mike C: Technology classes relevent to future biological risk (needed capabilities): manipulation, detection, analysis, response cybaea P: ten minutes left mike jbond: synthesis of smallpox is easy, but now its illegal. I feel safer, don't you? You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. cybaea P: yawn. pixelcort left the chat room. pixelcort ~pixelcort@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com pixelcort mike C: technology for manipulating genetic info is cheap and available worldwide wkearney99 info's cheap, actually DOING it isn't mike C: 2600 article: Hacking the Genmoe cybaea P: Salesforce.com has re-invented Oracle Forms. This is a good thing????? jbond cybea: ugh! alice left the chat room. alice ~alice@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) alice mike wkearney99: his point is that its getting cheaper and easier, including garage level hacking, I mean remixing :-) alice joined the chat room. alice ~alice@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com alice cybaea P: customfoce.com is just like Oracle Forms, except .. uhm .. not as "good"? SDEtech99 sooo, it's a CMS with lots of modules? mike anyone in B? What's coming down the pipe driven by porn industry requirements? pmarca_ left the chat room. pmarca_ ~pmarca@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Connection timed out pmarca_ SDEtech99 heh, he said pipe Suw lots of people in orange and red at etech, i see. wonder if that means something alice guffaw mike C: programming bacteria to take a picture cybaea P: "You don't have to use point-and-click: you could just write an XML configuration file" alice hey where's the online schedule ? i can't find it on the wiki cybaea P: right-on ..... Alice: http://conferences.oreillynet.com​/pub/w/36/program.html#tuesday mike C: student competition alice ta cybaea marksimpkins left the chat room. marksimpkins ~marksimpk@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com marksimpkins mike C: parts.mit.edu (I think?) rodan joined the chat room. rodan ~rosenfeld@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com rodan bkdelong Is there a chumpbot in here? jbond what other technologies are the pr0n industry working on and leading the field? peercasting. video on demand? mike DNA picture "Hello World" - gigapixel. 10x10", each 1" sq has a billion cells. Cool picture! bkdelong teledildonics? mike Took 10 weeks to 'build' it. neb_ C: photosensitive plate of handcoded bacteria reproduce "Hello World" paulm checkout the totally encrypted layer exchangers of children pron have put on the net... apparently very well implemented mike C: student team did this - well beyond speaker's PhD only 8 yrs ago jbond dealing with bandwidth issues without involving akamai TrevorFSmith "They didn't spell out 'you just got 0wn3d, you got Ebola' they spelled out 'hello, world'." jemstone left the chat room. jemstone ~jemstone@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jemstone jbond paulm. Which fails when dumb end user gets their C fixed at C World C fixed at Circuit city PC! paulm jbond: fortunately ;-) jbond damn P key mike c: http://mit.edu/endy/www/talks/ - slides from this talk, ppt jbond The ebay defence I bought a second drive on ebay and didn't bother reformatting it sky__ left the chat room. sky__ ~sky@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) sky__ danyel left the chat room. danyel ~danyelf@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) danyel cybaea Time's up - somebody tell the speaker, please bkdelong We're sticking a crapload of BioEng course material on MIT OCW this cycle paulm just for the record: I don't have that kind of material, but I prefer to physically destroying an older drive over selling it bkdelong ....BTW cybaea Next show: coffee :-9 later deitynoir left the chat room. deitynoir ~paulaledi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com deitynoir cybaea left the chat room. cybaea ~allane@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Remote closed the connection cybaea genmon left the chat room. genmon ~genmon@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com genmon neb_ left the chat room. neb_ ~neb@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com neb_ todbot left the chat room. todbot ~tod@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com todbot mike C: "Any one of you could go build" ... brings up Ebay screen tengi left the chat room. tengi ~tengi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com tengi paulm ciao paulm left the chat room. paulm ~paulm@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "Leaving" paulm mike C: searches for DNA Synthesizer C: "You build a massively parallel DNA synthesizer for $20k" zzgavin left the chat room. zzgavin ~gavin@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com zzgavin mike C: brought up the DNA sequence for smallpox - from size www.ncbi.nim.nih.gov size -> site C: "You build" -> "You can build" _dav left the chat room. _dav ~chatzilla@pix1224.gsurf.com.br "grrrrr" _dav mike C: "costs about $1.40 per base pair" - about $200k to order smallpox commercially deitynoir joined the chat room. deitynoir ~paulaledi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com deitynoir mike C: "noise [cost] to build it yourself" C: showing us a website where you can order DNA - just give them the sequence (but they won't do smallpox, or other agents they screen against) C: Can build about 40k base pairs now (human genome is 4 billion) rodan left the chat room. rodan ~rosenfeld@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) rodan mike C: don't use the term "killer application" when you're talking about biological fabrication :-) michaelhilton joined the chat room. michaelhilton ~michaelhi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com michaelhilton mike C: Q&A continues - worth dropping by sky__ joined the chat room. sky__ ~sky@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com sky__ joho left the chat room. joho ~dweinberg@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) joho mike C: never mind - q&a finished wkearney99 left the chat room. wkearney99 ~wkearney9@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) wkearney99 TrevorFSmith left the chat room. TrevorFSmith ~Snak@TrevorFSmith.student.supporter.pdpc "Oops. This machine just fell asleep" TrevorFSmith jemstone joined the chat room. jemstone ~jemstone@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jemstone jseng left the chat room. jseng ~jseng@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jseng joe_hughes joined the chat room. joe_hughes ~hughes@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com joe_hughes zzgavin joined the chat room. zzgavin ~gavin@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com zzgavin TrevorFSmith joined the chat room. TrevorFSmith ~Snak@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com TrevorFSmith SDEtech99 left the chat room. SDEtech99 ~declan@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) SDEtech99 ccoryell left the chat room. ccoryell ~ccoryell@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) ccoryell crysflame haha sky__ gr jbond left the chat room. jbond ~Julian_Bo@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jbond cybaea joined the chat room. cybaea ~allane@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com cybaea pmarca left the chat room. pmarca ~pmarca@bighorn.opsware.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) pmarca mike left the chat room. mike ~mm@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) mike cybaea C: Nelson on the stage. Hi Nelson ... jbond joined the chat room. jbond ~Julian_Bo@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jbond hodder left the chat room. hodder ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) hodder striatic hm groceries via RSS that's what i need michaelhilton left the chat room. michaelhilton ~michaelhi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com michaelhilton striatic feed me. SDEtech99 joined the chat room. SDEtech99 ~declan@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com SDEtech99 crysflame 304 Not Modified pmarca___ joined the chat room. pmarca___ ~pmarca@bighorn.opsware.com pmarca___ pmarca___ is now known as pmarca. pmarca pmarca___ pmarca___ cybaea C: Starting now. wseltzer left the chat room. wseltzer ~wseltzer@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) wseltzer michaelhilton joined the chat room. michaelhilton ~michaelhi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com michaelhilton ChrisDodo joined the chat room. ChrisDodo ~ChrisDodo@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com ChrisDodo _dav joined the chat room. _dav ~chatzilla@pix1181.gsurf.com.br _dav ccoryell joined the chat room. ccoryell ~ccoryell@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com ccoryell TrevorFSmith So, what happened to radio usage in 1993? joho joined the chat room. joho ~dweinberg@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com joho TrevorFSmith It had a huge jump for the BBC. Why? tengi joined the chat room. tengi ~tengi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com tengi dotBen joined the chat room. dotBen ~chatzilla@dotben.plus.com dotBen migurski joined the chat room. migurski ~migurski@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com migurski jseng joined the chat room. jseng ~jseng@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jseng genmon joined the chat room. genmon ~genmon@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com genmon genmon hey, i'm matt webb i'm on stage in the bbc radio talk ChrisDodo hello mwebb! genmon if you want real-time clarifications, just ask me dotBen lol lyza Hi Matt Web migurski who is the guy talking? lyza I'm staring at you dotBen good luck guys genmon hey folks :) TrevorFSmith So, why did usage have such a jump in 1993? genmon paul hammond: http://www.paulhammond.com migurski danke dotBen hes a paranoid fish genmon usage: partially a change of the way the measurements were done, but the trend's there... TrevorFSmith BBC usage, that is. imajes left the chat room. imajes snak@imajes.growl imajes genmon ..and that's because the rise of good, local commercial drove listening in a wider sense dviner joined the chat room. dviner ~daveviner@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com dviner genmon (people tend to listen to multiple networks, so listening to one radio station means listening to more) paulm joined the chat room. paulm ~paulm@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com paulm Suw hey matt marksimpkins joined the chat room. marksimpkins ~marksimpk@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com marksimpkins genmon here's the 10 hour takeover webpage: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/djs/t​enhour/ the tracklisting: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/djs/t​enhour/easter04/ michaelhilton i got a page not found from that link dotBen anyone in the google adwords talk in here??? sky__ yes dviner yup SOAP vs. rest. TrevorFSmith Could we sell clearchannel to BBC? genmon curious, both links working for me cybaea C: Buzzword bingo. migurski trevor: god yes. dviner why are google and semantic web/bbc talk simultaneous ?? genmon this is matt biddulph: http://www.hackdiary.com/ karenL joined the chat room. karenL ~k@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com karenL cybaea C: Google not using any of the WS-* standards migurski his bbc + del.icio.us hack was great jemstone http://www.hackdiary.com/archives/​000051.html - this is his blog entry on how he did it TrevorFSmith genmon: "good, local commercial dove" is what? stores piping in music? dviner are the conference slides available anywhere ? genmon sorry, meant good, local, commercial radio networks [missed a couple of words]. that drove listening in general TrevorFSmith genmon: ah. thanks genmon radio 1's view on how the takeover worked: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/djs/t​enhour/works/ wch2 joined the chat room. wch2 ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com wch2 cybaea P: "Stop thinking of API as function calls, think of it as passing XML documents around." TrevorFSmith But, how do I pay off the DJ to get my record on? cybaea Sorry: C ChrisDodo buy lots of phones and text in! migurski Live 105 (in san francisco) often broadcasts in an open studio, at a downtown mall Jonathan_Boutell joined the chat room. Jonathan_Boutell ~jon@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Jonathan_Boutell migurski so they encourage you to swing by, and interact directly with the DJ's genmon there were messageboards that organised sms-bombing the 10 hour takeover to get their favourite trakcs on dotBen so far those of you in the bbc talk arent missing much from the google talk migurski i'm sure there's a payola vehicle in there someplace ChrisDodo but it's one play. one play isn't worth anything - getting on a playlist is NiallKennedy migurski: yes, at the Sony Metreon genmon tom coates: http://www.plasticbag.org mike joined the chat room. mike ~mm@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com mike striatic he was in here earlier genmon this is the first bbc podcasting trial: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/histo​ry/inourtime/mp3_podcast.shtml migurski striatic: now he's onstage dviner genmon: are you one of the speakers ? migurski unidirectional voice-chat genmon [for people who have just joined, i'm on the stage in the bbc radio talk, throwing out supplementary links and info.] dviner: i'm just sitting on the stage, not speaking today dviner genmon: are the slides online somewhere? genmon dviner: they will be soon dviner sweet cybaea C: SOAP and WSDL interoperability: Good: .NET, Java (Axis) OK: C++ (gSOAP), Perl (SOAP::Lite) Not good: Python (SOAPpy, ZSI), PHP (many options) striatic thttp://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/djs/t​enhour/works/ has a sort of description of the 10hour takeover in slide form jseng anyone in the microsoft research lab room? _dav How about Ruby? cybaea C: SOAp and WSDL interoperabilityC: "Python is probably the worst..." Oops. TrevorFSmith genmon: So, can the BBC tell record companies to piss off, such that their stations aren't payola driven format stations and are reactive to text messages for indie bands? cybaea C: "Python is probably the worst..." _dav Ruby on Rails has wsdl out of the box, not sure how good it is wch2 I'm in the microsoft room cybaea _dav: No info from Nelson on that TrevorFSmith wch2: Don't sign anything. sky__ jesus jemstone dan hill who works with matt, matt, tom, paul at the BBC talks in more detail about these projects http://www.cityofsound.com/blog/​bbc/index.html sky__ how the fuck can anything be worse than SOAP::Lite? migurski hah genmon trevorfsmith: the rights situation is pretty nuanced. i think the bbc would prefer to help the whole ecosystem to move to a state where everyone is advantaged rather than strike out on its own. it has a mandate to help the market pmarca left the chat room. pmarca ~pmarca@bighorn.opsware.com "Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0/20041107]" pmarca cybaea C: "The hardest thing is to send nothing; zero bits" dviner genmon: ar ethe live tracklistings available outside of the bbc ? genmon so the bbc can help the situation along by demonstrating the power of open distribution, etc, and use that as an illustration striatic and then other people can figure out how to coopt and exploit that? ;) TrevorFSmith genmon: You think that it is possible that indie records can find BBC airtime alongside major releases if the demand is demonstrated? paulm the other item the BBC has (that was not on the list) is quite a bit of state funding ;-) dviner that's open source tho... exploit versus utilize is a quite thin line. genmon dviner: for some networks, it's on the websites. in the near future, we're figuring out ways to make this much more open knauer joined the chat room. knauer ~josh@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com knauer genmon for example with distribution, the knock on effect of podcasting In Our Time was a tripling of regular listen on demand TrevorFSmith Nice. jseng whats the name of the app the MS Research guy is demoing? migurski bittorrent has totally replaced tv for me, instinctively it feels like a model i'd switch to entirey paulm how's the MS presentation? Jonathan_Boutell how is the MS Research thing? Is it pie in the sky stuff or semi-useful/interesting? jseng interesting...but i missed the name genmon trevorfsmith: it's starting, gradually. there are mp3 downloads of unsigned artists starting, tho i can't find the url right now. i'll hunt more janeytk joined the chat room. janeytk ~janeytk@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com janeytk TrevorFSmith genmon: Are you finding any interesting tag population grouping over time, as happens with flickr? genmon bbc mp3 downloads: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/onemu​sic/unsigned/ knauer left the chat room. knauer ~josh@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com knauer dotBen left the chat room. dotBen ~chatzilla@dotben.plus.com Remote closed the connection dotBen genmon bbc mp3 downloads: http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/shows​/gideon_coe/ (mp3free down at the bottom) trevorfsmith: at the moment we're testing internally at the bbc - it's a big place - to gather enough data to see if the tag populations are growing. we're still gathering data striatic how many text messages per hour on the 10 hour takeover? jbond I'd love to see track listings of the music used as backing racks on TV. migurski book clubs are a good model for group listening: the reading happens off-line, the reflection + conversation is synchronized TrevorFSmith genmon: ah. thanks. Mutiny how's the "building a new web service at google" presentation? genmon striatic: i believe 150,000 over 10 hours. i don't know the peak rate. i'll have to check with matt biddulph jbond Especially everythig out of BBC Bristol. eg Gardeners world genmon migurski: book clubs are an example we use inside frequently to stop people thinking too strictly about "technology." book clubs are social software for the 50+ striatic also, was there any feedback to the people voting? on a web site or the Djs saying which songs were picking up votes? or all freeform? wch2 left the chat room. wch2 ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com wch2 hodder joined the chat room. hodder ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com hodder jbond Damn thees seats are hard knauer joined the chat room. knauer ~josh@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com knauer sky__ yes pjw mary hodder, did you lose a battery? genmon striatic: the tracklisting provide feedback from takeover day to takeover day, and there's a very short feedback showing the kinds of messages being sent in recently--but no medium-time feedback like you suggest. it's a gap we're discussing how to fill for next time round, because it is very important pjw <p> hodder hey no.. TrevorFSmith genmon: You're familiar with the PARC "shared media space" research from the 90s? PARC and GaTech (and others), that is. hodder but thanks for asking striatic indeed. it would be tricky .. having it mostly blind is might be part of the appeal. genmon trevorfsmith: indeed. encounted a bunch of this stuff for my Glancing talk last year zzgavin left the chat room. zzgavin ~gavin@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com zzgavin Earthman joined the chat room. Earthman ~Earthman@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Earthman genmon trevorfsmith: we're reaching towards a more social, less goal-directed form of interaction. friendly hanging-out online migurski we (@stamen) built something like this for moveon.org last year, though in the context of political "town hall" meetings, not music SDEtech99 doesn't irc scratch that itch? Mutiny i'd be far far more interested in a google adsense api than an adwords api Earthman This DateLens thing is kinda nice TrevorFSmith genmon: you might also be interested in chatting with Nicolas Ducheneaut about his social TV project (digging 'round for pubs or refs) knauer wow... this microsoft guy sure seems to want us to think everything he is showing is "very cool" migurski datelens - URL? jbond Mutiny: API to what? Mutiny knauer, is any of it? jbond, AdSense migurski or was it _data_ lens? jbond yes but what data about adsense knauer he has said "very cool" at least 30 times since I walked in the room 5 mins ago not really marksimpkins yeah, its very cool Earthman migurski: DateLens genmon trevorfsmith: thanks very much. you should talk to tom coates afterwards about this, as he's been doing a lot of thinking about social tv mike left the chat room. mike ~mm@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) mike marksimpkins :( i cant find any URLS for any of this on the MS Research site danyel joined the chat room. danyel ~danyelf@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com danyel dviner left the chat room. dviner ~daveviner@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) dviner marksimpkins can someone ask him to breath. SDEtech99 http://www.cs.umd.edu/hcil/datelen​s/ Earthman Yeah, he reminds me of the FedEx commercial guy knauer the microsoft research stuff was being done at xerox parc 15 years ago http://www.maya.com/Portfolio/work​scape.html Earthman knauer: everything was being done at PARC 15 years ago :-) jbond re adsense. I want something like last.fm three buttons. Like, Ban, Skip available for me on every googlead on the web. marksimpkins thanks SDEtech99 jseng left the chat room. jseng ~jseng@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jseng TrevorFSmith everything you'll use 15 years from now are at PARC now. *cough* jbond Then I could feed back what I wanted them to show on my site migurski tags! tags! tags! jbond because right now Adsense's idea of what they should show on my ste sux. tags++ marksimpkins oh, that was nice jbond hiearchies-- SDEtech99 adsense needs pictures Mutiny yeah knauer agreed spinning stuff ++ jbond twirling++ Mutiny it would be nice to be able to say "i want to put ads for *THIS* keyword into this page" rather than have adsense trying to figure it out marksimpkins now, will it break???? Mutiny and then being able to do stuff like smart-tag up your own site if you wanted to. migurski hierarchies + tags == great joy Earthman Things like AdSense are really bad for blogs jbond Thing is we're doing it with technorati tags. but google isn't listening migurski: wikipedia categories? marksimpkins ok, that was good. jbond free form hierarchies migurski that, and using hierarchies of knowns to interpret clouds of tags jbond sorry, not hierarchy. not trees but meshes A tree is just a special case of a mesh zzgavin joined the chat room. zzgavin ~gavin@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com zzgavin TrevorFSmith BBC: all of those characteristics he just attributed to SMS used to be true for email. Earthman Clustering based on statistical correlation on tags is interesting TrevorFSmith BBC: it used to be an event when you got an email (pre-spam) and it used to be spotty, taking variable amounts of time for delivery. deitynoir left the chat room. deitynoir ~paulaledi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com deitynoir striatic earthman: like the flickr "related" tags? jbond A moment's silence here for John Peel knauer left the chat room. knauer ~josh@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com knauer Earthman striatic: Yes (we just did that on Technorati) hodder left the chat room. hodder ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) hodder striatic and del.icio.us too {of course}? joho left the chat room. joho ~dweinberg@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) joho Earthman Si What we, Del and Flickr do is pretty straightforward You could do much more genmon left the chat room. genmon ~genmon@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com genmon joho joined the chat room. joho ~dweinberg@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com joho Earthman What we do is essentially just graph traversal jbond is not hapy about the state of tag UI navigation SDEtech99 i want attribute/value pairs for pictures not just tags Earthman You could do more statistical correlation of tags to text karenL left the chat room. karenL ~k@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com karenL jbond thinks we should work on that before trying to improve the quality of the clustering migurski left the chat room. migurski ~migurski@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com migurski KevinMarks well, we have search, lists and heatmaps and those bouncy network thinsg that are fun for 5 minutes jbond fac.etio.us cybaea C: switching presenters jbond Those lists of tags in different font sizes are getting irritating and it gets worse when you want to navigate and filter in several dimensions eg category+location+time deitynoir joined the chat room. deitynoir ~paulaledi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com deitynoir FrankK|zzzzz_ joined the chat room. FrankK|zzzzz_ ~chatzilla@pD950A61D.dip.t-dialin.net FrankK|zzzzz_ striatic has anyone done related tags based on multiple input tags? alice where's takingbacktv? is it ballroom B? marksimpkins alice: yep jbond Ive been trying to imagine a craigslist that used tags instead of hierarchies. Location is hard and messy alice ta TrevorFSmith striatic: tag fusion is hard, messy genmon joined the chat room. genmon ~genmon@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com genmon jbond BBC guys: I want track listings of backing music in TV programs. Earthman For location, can use the notion of Venues, within a well-defined geo area joe_hughes left the chat room. joe_hughes ~hughes@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com joe_hughes Earthman Venues are a tag-like, flat space jbond For the poster, flat share in N London has a unique Lat/long. For the searcher they want flat shares, in a price range, in an approxomate geo area migurski joined the chat room. migurski ~migurski@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com migurski TrevorFSmith Earthman: where are you getting the def of "venue"? Is that a published lexicon (academic or otherwise)? Earthman Trevor: No, it would be folksie TrevorFSmith *in* a published lexicon, rather. Mutiny did anybody take notes for Annalee Newitz's presentation? dviner joined the chat room. dviner ~daveviner@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com dviner jbond http://www.voidstar.com/node.php?i​d=2275 for sex drives striatic the venues would be folksie, but the geographical areas would be established within the system or would the geographical areas be arrived at through some social mechanism as well? Earthman striatic: I think the first thing you said Jonathan_Boutell left the chat room. Jonathan_Boutell ~jon@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Jonathan_Boutell Earthman Places people hang out, for example TrevorFSmith Earthman: because there have been many "place vs space" and "re-place-ing space" ideas, none of them particularly well deployed. Mutiny jbond, awesome, thanks. :) genmon anyone know the ip range of etcon? i need to ip range the demo apps to it cybaea C: A != A hodder joined the chat room. hodder ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com hodder jrnoded joined the chat room. jrnoded ~jr@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jrnoded ChrisDodo talk to tom igoe - he had to do the same Mutiny ip2.globalevents.iinet.com i'm guessing. :) cybaea C: i == U+2170, U+2139, U+2148 etc. TrevorFSmith genmon: where are you demo'ing? genmon http://rnd.historicalfact.com/phon​etags/ and http://rnd.historicalfact.com/gl/ Mutiny considering almost 50% of the people in this channel are using that address, i'm pretty sure. dviner do IRI compliant browsers send cookies to the same place? lili joined the chat room. lili ~lilich_42@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com lili cybaea C: http://intertwingly.net/slides/20​05/etcon/ Earthman Stop the Apple commercial and get to Tiger We all already bought them, for goodness sake! jrnoded heh termie :/ reading tengi genmon: for Tom & Raffi's tutorial, we were using low numbered hosts on 10.10.0.*, but I think they had to clear that with the netops. TrevorFSmith Earthman: what do you think that session is? Earthman lol Jonathan_Boutell joined the chat room. Jonathan_Boutell ~jon@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Jonathan_Boutell jbond what are people doing for food tonite? Earthman Oh, a Finder that FINDS? What a concept! You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. paulm geeezzz.. distribute the speech in print and start presenting TrevorFSmith left the chat room. TrevorFSmith ~Snak@TrevorFSmith.student.supporter.pdpc "Oops. This machine just fell asleep" TrevorFSmith jemstone left the chat room. jemstone ~jemstone@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jemstone jbond who's up behind the desk. dviner sam ruby's talk is at http://intertwingly.net/slides/20​05/etcon/ FrankK|zzzzz left the chat room. FrankK|zzzzz ~chatzilla@pD950B86B.dip.t-dialin.net Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) FrankK|zzzzz jbond in ballroom B ccoryell left the chat room. ccoryell ~ccoryell@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) ccoryell cybaea C: http://www.google.com/search?hl=e​n&lr=&q=bad+characters+146+site%3A​www.feedvalidator.org Earthman Tag is with metadata, Luke Tag it* Mutiny oh wow another plone site that looks just like every other plone site, never seen that before. jbond Mutiny: where are you now? marksimpkins so, what are posm.tv trying to do? Earthman jbond: do you want the answer as a venue or a geocode :-) crysflame is there a decimal geocoding system that doesn't require two sets of numbers, only one? jbond heh cybaea C: :-) ChrisDodo yes - uk grid, finnish grid cybaea C: Y! bashing ChrisDodo but they require letters too crysflame worldwide letters is fine, but must work for anywhere in the world ChrisDodo hard to do to different resolutions crysflame for bonus points, depth as well ChrisDodo finn grid may be worldwide.... dunno jbond metres along a predefined spiral around the world Earthman Some kind of spiral might work dviner C: not y! bashing... he said y! fixed it.. just didn't document it marksimpkins oh my god. their own set top box crysflame jbond, earthman: nice. migurski left the chat room. migurski ~migurski@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com migurski marksimpkins how about PAL :) Earthman Of course, we'd argue about where the spiral would be centered zzgavin joined the chat room. zzgavin ~gavin@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com zzgavin Earthman Greenwich, I guess KevinMarks geocoding points is not enough cybaea dviner: Yesh, but they released it broken. But good point danyel jbond, interesting, but spiral tightness becomes a problem -- or does the encoding system have limited fineness? tengi their own set top box that you build yourself.... jbond N pole. Or S Pole to avoid being northist crysflame danyel: tightness is defined implicitly by the number of digits of precision, i would think noidfish joined the chat room. noidfish ~paul@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com noidfish jbond A spiral with 1metre between tracks marksimpkins so, why their STB rather than any other? Jonathan_Boutell left the chat room. Jonathan_Boutell ~jon@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Jonathan_Boutell cybaea C: Ouch. Trick questions :-) dviner lol Earthman How long did it take this guy to tag all his photos? danyel crys, that's a massive tech. headache. we can talk offline, but does that mean that 3.1 meters is possibly very far away from 3.11 meters (because the tightness has changed?) KevinMarks you actually need lat,long, radius of interest crysflame danyel: yes i'm okay with thinking in radians instead of decimal jbond KM: we did this one, right? KevinMarks (notice how all map views have a zoom slider) crysflame (if that's of any help ;) KevinMarks yeah just reminding dviner C: strings are hard to understand... so, let's talk about http.... tengi marksimpkins: NIH, perhaps? crysflame what's the trig function that varies from 0.0 to 1.0 decimal from 0 degrees to 360 degrees? jbond NIH? danyel crys: i'd personally just interleave digits for X and Y position. (123, 456) -> (142536). At least it doesn't claim to be a distance... tengi not invented here.... marksimpkins ah TrevorFSmith joined the chat room. TrevorFSmith ~Snak@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com TrevorFSmith KevinMarks sin (d*4) bkdelong left the chat room. bkdelong ~bkdelong@h-67-102-164-116.cmbrmaor.covad.net bkdelong noidfish is this channel logged anywhere? KevinMarks why do you want a 1-d coordinate system? marksimpkins at Diverse last year there where a number of STB's based on cheap PC boards and linux crysflame okay. distance from the origin point as a floating point from the decimal point leftward, position on the sphere from zulu meridian as sin (d*4) split on '.', reverse the left side, voila cackles KevinMarks silly Mutiny another lovely day in san diego. buridan joined the chat room. buridan ~palehorse@198.70.228.245 buridan crysflame that is all marksimpkins ok, so the EPG is more important than the STB (or how it is defined) KevinMarks what was the goal, chrys? packed BAM is better striatic noidfish: not that i know of jbond arrg he's a bird watcher striatic my client is logging it though so that's one place marksimpkins :) tengi isn't the guide where Tivo makes their money? marksimpkins yep, EPGs are considered commercial data KevinMarks BAM has neat proporties as it overflows corretcly in longitude jbond Let Google do the guide NelsonM joined the chat room. NelsonM ~nelson@adsl-63-194-75-26.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net NelsonM rossm joined the chat room. rossm ~Snak@1009host202.starwoodbroadband.com rossm marksimpkins access to the EPG on sky for example is very difficult and costly rossm ah, san diego, at last genmon left the chat room. genmon ~genmon@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com genmon tengi googleTV jbond Hi Ross marksimpkins hi ross jbond Just arrived? crysflame the goal was to find a solution given the limitations of the problem i posed myself tengi didn't they start something already? rossm hi julian, mark, just arrived, sitting in the lobby marksimpkins so, they are talking about Azareus with RSS jbond you're late! ;) rossm with all the attentions streaming all over, I haven't missed a thing Suw KevinMarks: i'm off KevinMarks you've been off for years... Suw :-p jbond smells a bit but a heart of gold marksimpkins forget the STB, they are dissposible commodity Suw but i showered only this morning! stefan joined the chat room. stefan ~Stefan@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com stefan dviner forget tivo ;) marksimpkins IPTV, ummmm Hull jbond that was then, this is now. ;) tengi an IP channel won't scale without an IP multicast infrastructure Suw t'ra all. enjoy etech. mutters something under her breath marksimpkins bye jbond bye bye Earthman bye Suw waves see you all tomorrow cybaea Bye suw Suw t'ra cybaea :) wseltzer see you Suw jrnoded night stefan left the chat room. stefan ~Stefan@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com stefan Suw wendy!! tengi IPTV - the webcam channel Suw sorry to miss you - maybe catch you tomorrow Suw left the chat room. Suw ~Suw@suw.user Suw jbond Need peercasting as used by the pr0n industry dviner what's peercasting? cygmund left the chat room. cygmund ~cygmund@12.17.155.234 cygmund marksimpkins and so back to pr0n leading the tecnology wave... joho left the chat room. joho ~dweinberg@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) joho plazes joined the chat room. plazes ~Stefan@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com plazes rossm nice, someone is playing a piano next to me jbond http://www.peercast.org/ joho joined the chat room. joho ~dweinberg@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com joho TrevorFSmith left the chat room. TrevorFSmith ~Snak@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "ZZZzzz..." TrevorFSmith jbond http://www.adultinternet.tv ChrisDodo the Tangible Computing slides are available at http://www.anti-mega.com/antimega​/archives/001195.html marksimpkins humm, not clicking on that one :) xicubed_ joined the chat room. xicubed_ ~xicubed@24-119-53-145.cpe.cableone.net xicubed_ rossm the lobby piano player is playing Coldplay jbond It's an internet pr0n TV channel. Using P2P multicasting so the bandwidth doesn't kill them. marksimpkins cool danyel there are some truly bizaree applause lines. like "XML is broken." DangerIsMyMiddle joined the chat room. DangerIsMyMiddle ~DangerIsM@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com DangerIsMyMiddle jbond rossm. Is there a real piano player? Or is it a Midi Grand Piano? marksimpkins yeah, he was playing the Thomson Twins yesterday jrnoded check for a wire coming out of his left foot genmon joined the chat room. genmon ~genmon@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com genmon jbond Mark. Beats paying for the pay per view movies in the hotel ;) rossm a real player marksimpkins :) ChrisDodo he was also playing elo DangerIsMyMiddle only without the lag Earthman Now that's helpful (the Find in the Open dialog) Mutiny looks like some shit is about to go down in this picture http://www.flickr.com/photos/neb/​60145/ marksimpkins battlestar galactica podcasts anyone tried them? Mutiny looks like the two people are about to brawl and that guy in the middle as an "i'm getting the hell outta here" look on his face. s/as/has/ marksimpkins DEMO crysflame oo, right loads battlestar ep 1 on firefox paulm who still watches 'nature movies' on pay per view? a filled folder on the laptop prior to departure... NelsonM I just pack my Netflix subscription jbond nature movies are curiously tame these days. NelsonM note to audience: marksimpkins i just bought criterion videodrome, to remind myself TV IS EVIL!! and will take over your mind NelsonM never point out a typo in the slides it is rude thank you jbond Somebody called it Playboy Sex. Lots of airbrush but nothing happening. cybaea Nelson: :-) crysflame ha Mutiny anybody want to go to karaoke tomorrow night after the events? ;) jbond I can no longer get drunk enough for karaoke. Must be getting old tengi guns-r-us? marksimpkins lost in translation karaoke scenes.. best bit of the film :) TrevorFSmith joined the chat room. TrevorFSmith ~Snak@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com TrevorFSmith marksimpkins ok, what is the point of this boomtown stuff, ah!! paulm tiger preso is somewhat tame... just scratches the surface marksimpkins hummm jrnoded yeah I'm bored marksimpkins not sure about that DangerIsMyMiddle he's so under a gag order NelsonM the network is a lot better now. did someone turn off the pr0n torrentsz? DaveMc500hats joined the chat room. DaveMc500hats ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com DaveMc500hats paulm would do nicely in an AppleStore marksimpkins so, its a series of VOD's Earthman paulm: right dviner left the chat room. dviner ~daveviner@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) dviner lyza whoa danger is MY middle name I've been usurped DangerIsMyMiddle we shall fight a duel marksimpkins well Danger was Danger Mouse's first name.. lyza We shall. DangerIsMyMiddle pistols at dawn, milady! lyza 10 paces I'm no lady jbond bananas at dawn. paulm lyza: are you the guy in kilt then ;-) DangerIsMyMiddle you do look quite ladylike from here jbond No. Pineapples. marksimpkins kiwi fruit DangerIsMyMiddle I choose lemon slices bradyf joined the chat room. bradyf ~brady@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com bradyf marksimpkins ohh, sharp.. DangerIsMyMiddle nasty when used as frisbees yep - exactly DangerIsMyMiddle is now known as DangerIsLyzasNam. DangerIsLyzasNam DangerIsMyMiddle DangerIsMyMiddle tengi yet another video game for the kids..... jrnoded I'm toast. lyza Danger is my MIDDLE name, not my first, sillyhead jrnoded left the chat room. jrnoded ~jr@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jrnoded marksimpkins ok, its good a nice open source project doing this, but Kingston communications are doing this in Hull mattb left the chat room. mattb ~mattb@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com mattb marksimpkins ear bleed DangerIsLyzasNam is now known as NotLyza. NotLyza DangerIsLyzasNam DangerIsLyzasNam Earthman Unconditionally opposed to conditionals lyza These questions are making me uncomfortable. paulm gazillion other scripting tools available to conditional stuff genmon lyza: why so? Earthman Scripting without conditionals is hobbled sky__ left the chat room. sky__ ~sky@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) sky__ marksimpkins ok, simple toolset is good NotLyza madshit scraping lunacy lyza Tiger demo guy is more car salesman than guy who wants to ask questions, crowd getting somewhat surly errr answer questions NotLyza he's unhappy paulm so are we now genmon true, true. audience misunderstands automator i think. it's not scripting, it's pipe. Earthman Back to the baby pictures lyza mmmmm, pipe Earthman genmon, exactly right NotLyza Abort! Abort! brett joined the chat room. brett ~brett@meat.kavi.com brett lyza heya brettling! brett hi Earthman Now we understand the robot icon, eh? lyza PIPE Earthman wonders how he missed this noidfish left the chat room. noidfish ~paul@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com noidfish brett lyza: oh I thought you were NotLyza ! lyza That would be conflicting NotLyza is now known as ReallyNotLyza. ReallyNotLyza NotLyza NotLyza genmon earthman: indeed. alas, i think he should have understood it when explaining the icon too... rossm left the chat room. rossm ~Snak@1009host202.starwoodbroadband.com "Oops. This machine just fell asleep" rossm You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. dviner 47 million active amazon users? that's it? TrevorFSmith joined the chat room. TrevorFSmith ~Snak@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com TrevorFSmith crysflame active amazon api users? dviner "active customer accounts" lyza _I_ want to drop swarms of parachutes NelsonM I'm lovin the data crysflame i wonder how many inactives jemstone joined the chat room. jemstone ~jemstone@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jemstone NelsonM 80000 amazon web services devleopers noidfish joined the chat room. noidfish ~paul@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com noidfish dweinberger joined the chat room. dweinberger ~dweinberg@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com dweinberger marksimpkins parachutes?? joho left the chat room. joho ~dweinberg@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) joho dweinberger is now known as joho. joho dweinberger dweinberger cheesebikini werner vogels++, jeh? lyza marksimpkins : sorry, just something mentioned as an aside in the ATOM hacking session dviner fairly solid engineering == amazon scale? tengi he said he coould use the 3D sensors to drop parachutes on your house migurski joined the chat room. migurski ~migurski@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com migurski cheesebikini "virtual red light district" of amsterdam, available through a hole in the wall? not what i expected to hear from amazon jseng joined the chat room. jseng ~jseng@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jseng marksimpkins oh, ok, should pay attemtion cheesebikini hes talking about what talks "to your pancreas" NiallKennedy left the chat room. NiallKennedy ~NiallKenn@m206-184.dsl.tsoft.com NiallKennedy cybaea cheesebikini: Aiming to serve your every shopping need ... ;-) dotBen joined the chat room. dotBen ~chatzilla@dotben.plus.com dotBen dotBen left the chat room. dotBen ~chatzilla@dotben.plus.com Remote closed the connection dotBen dviner i think he's just making the case for async processing for distributed apps. dotBen joined the chat room. dotBen ~chatzilla@dotben.plus.com dotBen jcgregorio I really don't want anyone talking to my pancreas marksimpkins William Morris !!! RussB joined the chat room. RussB ~RussB@russb.corp.yahoo.com RussB marksimpkins how about open source bicycles cheesebikini "like a mosquito in a nudist resort..." {snort} marksimpkins sorry, babbling joe_hughes joined the chat room. joe_hughes ~hughes@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com joe_hughes dviner "learn from real life" is a trademark ??? NelsonM maybe "real life" is the trademark cybaea dviner: Better than "pat. pending." cheesebikini right on! dviner true... but still not good cheesebikini I'm going to patent redundancy dviner tho, i find myself agreeing with these premises. marksimpkins humm, think cycle, someone mentioned that when i did lazygov.. crysflame i remember thinkcycle dviner how to control replication across generations is why biological systems are hard... who decides what "lives" apache httpd server uses apoptosis. marksimpkins ah, this is like something i want to get the students at Central St, Martins to do.. jseng left the chat room. jseng ~jseng@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jseng marksimpkins my eyes my eyes... tengi the MCP should take him out *NOW* michaelhilton left the chat room. michaelhilton ~michaelhi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) michaelhilton jseng joined the chat room. jseng ~jseng@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jseng TrevorFSmith must. not. remember. tron. guy. migurski think about peter pan guy instead cybaea Off topic: "Destroying the Earth is harder than you may have been led to believe." :-) - http://ned.ucam.org/~sdh31/misc/d​estroy.html - from Schneier RussB left the chat room. RussB ~RussB@russb.corp.yahoo.com RussB genmon dviner: the default for biological systems is that *self* lives, right? the selection algorithms are imposed by the environment and by everything-that-is-not-self? cheesebikini right on... "real life is not a state machine" use the force dviner genmon: yes... but, i've always found the problem is that the "self" is built of cells/units/programs/etc... and something must choose which ones of those propigate to the next generation. genmon cheesebikini: which session are you in? cheesebikini amazon werner vogels on parallels between biological systems/"real life" and tech/business dviner genmon: i.e., something must play "god" ... usually in a reproduce() method, or a replicate() thing, or the function which calls those (e.g., handleGeneration()) genmon they're on about biological systems? i am so in the wrong session lyza That's what I was just thinking :( dviner the amazon slides *have* to go online somewhere. genmon are the amazon slides descriptive? dviner mostly... his key points are in the slides... mattb yeah, pretty much dviner slides + podcast should do the trick. cheesebikini umm... not enough on its own... listen to the audio of it w/ the slides later genmon i hope it is being podcast marksimpkins disco! neb_ left the chat room. neb_ ~neb@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com neb_ lyza That toy helicopter looks like an IUD or some other scary medical device. It would make children cry. joe_hughes How's the B talk? cheesebikini IDEA: it would be cool to have a little subaudible signal on the soundtrack, tied in w/ the keynote/powerpoint presentation, that embeds "next slide" signal in audio of a presentation dviner oreilly people: can we get amazon slides online ? todbot left the chat room. todbot ~tod@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com todbot cheesebikini so later you can do a playback tying in audio w/ slides... even have teh slides show up on your ipod photo display marksimpkins we need the machine that goes ping cheesebikini you mean the cars the cars that go boom? marksimpkins the helicopter that goes whizzz cheesebikini i dont wanna hear the ping migurski you just want the benefits of the ping ccoryell joined the chat room. ccoryell ~ccoryell@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com ccoryell marksimpkins subliminal ping migurski B: the ifab web app is really swanky marksimpkins yeah TrevorFSmith But is there a process for reading a process? (re: superfabricate) migurski metafabricate lyza What's that written in/on? [iFab]? SDEtech99 left the chat room. SDEtech99 ~declan@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) SDEtech99 marksimpkins .jsp lyza hmmmm. marksimpkins ?? migurski it's got a lot of the niceties of flickr TrevorFSmith B: the image markup is nice migurski B: but domain-specific lyza B: It does seem very specific marksimpkins he said that was their version of fotonotes lyza As much as I'm into belt sanders zzgavin belt sanders rock migurski "people who bought this belt sander also bought..." plazes left the chat room. plazes ~Stefan@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) plazes TrevorFSmith band-aids tengi wrong talk.... marksimpkins Dyson vacuums zzgavin hired a floor sander =) migurski aside: is the vacuum guy related to Esther/George/Freeman? mattb left the chat room. mattb ~mattb@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com mattb marksimpkins nope i dont think so migurski that's what i figured marksimpkins i could be wrong though.... tengi He said that his sister Esther was in the audience marksimpkins that was George , not the Vacuum guy tengi I think he also talked about his dad working at the institute cybaea C: "Everybody in this room will get sick..." migurski his dad == freeman dyson cybaea C: Black text on dark blue background?? migurski cybaea: at least it's not http://www.37signals.com/svn/imag​es/ny_redblue.gif cybaea Ugh! My eyes are hurting now... marksimpkins AIRWOLF!!!! migurski B: airwolf! lyza B: Rockin' soundtrack cybaea Doc Searls: "Sean Bonner has shot (with a camera) four bloggers..." Phew: no guns at ETech, please cheesebikini gossip protocol! tasty dviner gossip is good. but bad if you're a network engineer :) DaveMc500hats left the chat room. DaveMc500hats ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) DaveMc500hats tengi Doc's not on IRC, but he has iChat running..... NelsonM left the chat room. NelsonM ~nelson@adsl-63-194-75-26.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net Remote closed the connection NelsonM dviner http://www.cs.cornell.edu/vogels/E​pidemics/ mattb joined the chat room. mattb ~mattb@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com mattb TrevorFSmith axel f genmon dviner: now you're just pissing me off. :) looks like i'm missing a great session TrevorFSmith nice neb_ joined the chat room. neb_ ~neb@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com neb_ genmon unrelated to anything: is anyone else having problems using ichat rendezvous? presence works, not chat crysflame i've heard of that problem at an oreilly conference before heh, heh migurski genmon: i don't think it works in here, i've not had any success cheesebikini ditto here crysflame something about the multicast swarms totally shutting down the network until they disable it entirely migurski sometimes failure notices, sometimes silent failure neb_ rendezvous cannot scale to accomodate this many users TrevorFSmith genmon: drag them over to your AIM list and then chat them. genmon crysflame: that's a great line. there's a scifi story in that TrevorFSmith genmon: reroute through AIM, basically. danyel joined the chat room. danyel ~danyelf@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com danyel jseng left the chat room. jseng ~jseng@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jseng alice hurrah! cocktails! hodder joined the chat room. hodder ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com hodder dviner where are cocktails ? genmon trevorfsmith: nice trick! cybaea dviner: Exibition hall marksimpkins Orange food alice well it's cocktail o'clock so bar. jbond needs a margarita TrevorFSmith genmon: thank you. I will be accepting cocktails all evening in return. dviner ahh.. vendor splendor mattb left the chat room. mattb ~mattb@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Client Quit mattb cheesebikini weve got drinkingg to do tengi Rendezvous error: instant message connection failed. neb_ left the chat room. neb_ ~neb@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Client Quit neb_ jseng joined the chat room. jseng ~jseng@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jseng jbond wow haven't read RSS for two days migurski B: is there a URL for this app that's not localhost:8000 ? lyza Drinking? Where? marksimpkins ifabricate.com lyza is distracted migurski *duh* thanks, google pointed me to etech marksimpkins :) dotBen_ joined the chat room. dotBen_ ~chatzilla@dotben.plus.com dotBen_ lobo joined the chat room. lobo ~a@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com lobo dotBen left the chat room. dotBen ~chatzilla@dotben.plus.com Remote closed the connection dotBen cybaea Let's go drink. dotBen_ is now known as dotBen. dotBen dotBen_ dotBen_ cybaea left the chat room. cybaea ~allane@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "no reason" cybaea marksimpkins fart machine, thats my etcon migurski left the chat room. migurski ~migurski@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com migurski dotBen_ joined the chat room. dotBen_ ~chatzilla@dotben.plus.com dotBen_ njt left the chat room. njt ~gnat@c-24-9-55-174.client.comcast.net "Leaving" njt dotBen left the chat room. dotBen ~chatzilla@dotben.plus.com Remote closed the connection dotBen dotBen_ is now known as dotBen. dotBen dotBen_ dotBen_ TrevorFSmith marksimpkins: I won't make a joke about farts as emerging technologies... danyel left the chat room. danyel ~danyelf@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com danyel jbond too tired marksimpkins hummm, i need drinkkkk lobo lol You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. buridan left the chat room. buridan ~palehorse@198.70.228.245 buridan lyza This is just sad. Such a long day that one glass of wine has got me all sleepy and squishy. joho joined the chat room. joho ~dweinberg@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com joho jcgregorio joined the chat room. jcgregorio ~chatzilla@adsl-221-65-76.rmo.bellsouth.net jcgregorio jseng joined the chat room. jseng ~jseng@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jseng pixelcort joined the chat room. pixelcort ~pixelcort@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com pixelcort joho left the chat room. joho ~dweinberg@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) joho pixelcort left the chat room. pixelcort ~pixelcort@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) pixelcort pixelcort joined the chat room. pixelcort ~pixelcort@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com pixelcort knauer joined the chat room. knauer ~josh@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com knauer cybaea joined the chat room. cybaea ~allane@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com cybaea Mutiny anybody at the microsoft thingie tonight? or whoever it is rs joined the chat room. rs ~rashmi@adsl-67-122-204-149.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net rs cybaea MS thing? No, am at the Color Coding thing P: http://conferences.oreillynet.com​/cs/et2005/view/e_sess/7073 zzgavin joined the chat room. zzgavin ~gavin@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com zzgavin cybaea Hi Gavin :-) pixelcort I'll be there. zzgavin hi] crysflame color coding? cybaea crysflame: See link above zzgavin yes KevinMarks joined the chat room. 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