buridan
and my marx number is 5
but marx has been dead longer
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todbot
groucho or harpo?
seanbonner_
termie: what, like I'm some kind of blogger or something?
termie
puts on his Canter Number: 1 shirt
UCSDBigD
hmm, what would YOU male?
make
buridan
bah, zeppo was the writer
jemstone
etech fab lab would probably be like my kids fave show: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/characterpages/fablab/index.shtml
UCSDBigD
i'd make a killer robot
NelsonMinar
one of my media lab colleagues made his wedding ring at the Media Lab lathe
termie
UCSDBigD: chainsaw arms?
jbond
laser eyes
UCSDBigD
you'll put youe eye out
i did a glassblowing class
it was cool
actually it was hot
seanbonner_
I'd make a bomb
TrevorFSmith
A martini fountain.
lyza
My flickr account is still in pending :( so I cannot share my etech photos.
seanbonner_
did you put your eye out with the blown glass?
UCSDBigD
nope. burned my thumb tho
and made an ugly cool globe
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Earthman
lyza: Flickr screen name?
lyza
lyza
termie
starts duplicating danyel's email sorting thing
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lyza
/photos/lyza
Earthman
OK, see what I can do
UCSDBigD
earthman's got skillz
or the flikr guy's passwd
Earthman
No guarantees...
UCSDBigD
jet pack
danyel
termie, go for it!
lyza
Thanks so much
TrevorFSmith
A second head. I'm two behind stelarc.
seanbonner_
I'm posting a photo of my row right now
lyza
cool!
Row photos!
termie
seanbonner_: did you get a power strip row?
seanbonner_
yes, but you know I have my own powerstrip, and extension cord
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knauer_
smagdali is now known as stefan.
stefan
smagdali
smagdali
termie
"seanbonner, power conference blogger"
stefan
that's better
Earthman
would iFab a powerstrip
UCSDBigD
heh
MattJones
i really want a shed
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NelsonMinar
wow, the flickr etech photos are boring
seanbonner_
would make a hammer
NelsonMinar: that's a surprise?
NelsonMinar
it's like "hundreds of badly lit photos of geeks, slightly from below"
termie
NelsonMinar: people need moee free drinks
Earthman
MicroVC would help us get more power strips
cybaea
Just the recent ones - a few good shots the early days
termie
s/moee/more
UCSDBigD
is Apple gonna have real food tonight?
cybaea
Wireless power. Somebody please invent it.
NelsonMinar
still has a hard time ignoring the scatalogical meaning of 'make'
termie
cybaea: you hurt me.
knauer_
McLabs!
seanbonner_
I'd make a sandwich
cybaea
termie: Oh no :-(
lyza
is trying to figure out whether to be hurt, not sure if anyone can see her photos
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cybaea
termie: Probably didn't mean it. Flickr down now: can't see your shots
NelsonMinar
flickr up for me
termie
cybaea: up for me, too
Earthman
Hmm, Flickr works for me
DId you ever meet an engineer who didn't say, "It works for me!"
cybaea
Maybe just this page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/oreilly/page4/
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"Leaving"
jwales
cybaea
Back for me now....
You left the chat by being disconnected from the server.
You left the chat by being disconnected from the server.
NelsonMinar
his hands are trembling, and I don't think he's nervous
jbond
I'm reading people's T shirt slogans
UCSDBigD
we had him come talk at the UCSD Libraries on Monday
he's good dude
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NelsonMinar
wow, interesting point on EDS
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seanbonner_
he said "The Man"
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termie
sticks it
jbond
Right ON!
plasticb1g
yeah - EFF anti-man rhetoric is getting a bit out of hand
what's wrong with the man anyway
UCSDBigD
cory is Shaft
plasticb1g
he seems nice
cheesebikini
outta hand rhetoric++
imajes_
hey tom! congrats on the bloggie
NelsonMinar
there's a technical solution to this key concentration problem.
plasticb1g
thaks
NelsonMinar
it requires key revocation, but that will be practical in a few years
jbond
but won't be practical for a few years. luckily.
genmon_
i wonder what cory thinks about mmopgs, with hardwired permission bits
seanbonner_
You know you don't need a key to start a prius
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jbond
There should have been a session on hacking the Prius
UCSDBigD
my buddy's prius's battery died
imajes_
love flickr.
Parse error: parse error, unexpected T_ENDIF in /var/www/html/www.flickr.com/templates_c/%%-21^%%-2145952649^inc_photos_user_other_photo.txt.php on line 51
UCSDBigD
he plugged his phone into the charger, and the car vampired the charge and he could get started
jbond
heh
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plasticb1g
<cal> working on it
jbond
I bet he could have run the car off USB
holgate_
DRM is like the Evil Twin of Open API web services.
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NelsonMinar
The Microsoft/Intel cooperation on trusted computing (aka Palladium) is very very dangerous
lobo_
heh
NelsonMinar
it keeps progressing, but quietly.
knauer_
the batteries for the engines on hybrids are different from the battery used to power plugs, lights, etc... at least in my honda hybrid
holgate_
Open API stuff is another kind of Trusted Computing, but it's a trust in non-lockdown.
jbond
OSS is faith based
joe_hughes
Nelson: do you have a good reference on the key revocation thing?
NelsonMinar
joe - the concept? I'd try wikipedia.
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NelsonMinar
my belief it'll be practical in a few years? no, no reference, just my guess
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NelsonMinar
croak!
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jbond
knauer. Are they Optimum lead acid, or more exotic?
seanbonner_
He's done, anyone have any final comments before I post this?
TrevorFSmith
Since trusted computing will be so completely unusable, shouldn't we just make certain that untrusted computing is available and let the market sort it out?
UCSDBigD
did he call us all frogs?
lobo_
croak?
danyelf
Ribbit.
NelsonMinar
the problem is trusted computing will dominate the market
partly because of the trusted computing market power
cybaea
Good speech
NelsonMinar
partly because people want to watch DVDs on their computers.
jbond
So where is Apple in all this?
plasticb1g
<cal> flickr bug all fixed
NelsonMinar
and in a few years, the only way to watch DVDs may well be trusted
UCSDBigD
how about mosaic?
TrevorFSmith
The use scenarious for trusted computing sucks. Completely.
plasticb1g
(1) Complex Ecosystems regularly fail. We see it around ourselves all the time. Human beings have to protect many of these ecosystems by management. Do we just let ecosystems online that are subsumed by spam or whatever fail?
knauer_
my honda has nickel metal hydride batteries that power the electric engine
TrevorFSmith
So it will drive people to indie media.
Which is what we want, right?
wseltzer
I'd like to think that independent media could show competitive advantage against these restrictions, but I think that's not true yet
NelsonMinar
indie media isn't going to save cmoputing
plasticb1g
(2) Keeping the carriers neutral is great. But when can we actually move past this artificial binary between total libertarian concepts of freedom and some weird evil system of control and actually move the debate on? Can we talk about how we find different models beyond this stupid distinction and /try/ to build software that creates /better ecosystems that aren't as easy to game or spam and still preserve freedoms. Or should we just sit in our
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TrevorFSmith
Computing doesn't need saving.
plasticb1g
VERY BORED OF THIS DEBATE.
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jbond
plasticbig++
alice
yeah. new business models. let's go.
jbond
So we're dis-satisfied. So change it.
plasticb1g
Understand the need for it, because there are people int he world who want to assert total control, but don't think the solution to that kind of ludicrous position is just to argue the opposite.
wseltzer
can we agree that there is no "perfect" system?
jbond
implementation rules. All the rest is just academic wanking
plasticb1g
yes.
can we also argue that there is the possibility of better systems.
lobo_
surely darwinian evolution will eventually wead out the weaker ecosystems/organisms - it just takes time
plasticb1g
and that we should be aspiring to those and not pissing in the foothills.
problem is e-mail has total dominance in its niche
wseltzer
yes, if we stop reaching for the kind of perfection that drives out creativity
plasticb1g
there are no other competing beasts at that level
if it dies, we have no e-mail
UCSDBigD
bittorrent. move on
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plasticb1g
so let's find a hybridised, federalised e-mail system that inter-operates or something
lobo_
ok - but email may not be the best answer
plasticb1g
so let's find a hybridised, federalised e-mail system that inter-operates or something
ass
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cybaea
Did anydoy get that file system link?
knauer_
he squashed the butterfly
seanbonner_
http://www.seanbonner.com/blog/archives/001552.php
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danyelf
PlasticBig: on a related note, ran into this quote yesterday: "[Lots of people have starved to death waiting for carriers to become dumb pipes. Carriers depend on return on investment and cash flow-- customers and revenues are just metrics that may help a carrier get there. It takes real money to run a network]
"
jseng
okay, bittorrent :-P
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cybaea
Another dead butterfly
plasticb1g
poor butterflies
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noidfish
cybaea: http://justin.chapweske.com/lfs-shame/
UCSDBigD
homey don't buy no fault tolertant server, yo.
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cybaea
noidfish: thanks
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njt
plasticb1g: "hybridised, feralised e-mail system"
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KevinMarks
hello? checksums?
danyelf
JSeng, Bittorrent is great for the top 2% most popular bits of the web. What about the rest of it? massive back-catalogs, etc?
UCSDBigD
he likes that slashy circel
KevinMarks
you can use plain http for those
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plasticb1g
was just suggesting that we need to find different species of e-mail that might be able to inter-operate
NelsonMinar
does anyone know why Bram doesn't want forward error correction in bittorrent?
plasticb1g
and let markets and people's desires and needs manifest themselves
KevinMarks
BT is for when lots of ppl want to hit the same server at aonce
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plasticb1g
if the mad porno lady yesterday is right, then everyone will go for total anonymity
UCSDBigD
the butterfly has been healed
lobo_
placsitg1g : agreed
plasticb1g
that's an ecosystem
seanbonner_
anonymity is good
er, can be good
plasticb1g
anonymity can be good, can be bad
KevinMarks
Nelson: because it operates over a reliable protocol (TCP)?
plasticb1g
can cause as much damage as it does good
ChrisDodo
so now you have to trust all these personal computers?
plasticb1g
ludicrous to argue one over the other
jseng
stream!!??
plasticb1g
have to push past the distinction and find something better
KevinMarks
pseudonymity is good
plasticb1g
maybe pseudonymity - on
NelsonMinar
kevin - no, good FEC would let you complete the download before you get all 100% of the download. solves the "last missing piece" problem
plasticb1g
yeah
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lpqboy
plasticb1g
one person correlates to one user name, no way of tracing between the two
holy grail of small scale online community management
maybe not appropriate for pan web identity
KevinMarks
like fountain thingy
noidfish
uh? did i miss the bit where he actually explained how this works? is it a plugin? something in the network layer?
plasticb1g
maybe not good for e-mail
noidfish
i don't get it
KevinMarks
I liek the idea of BT as a HTTP proxy
lobo_
kinda like a private circuit for identity?
KevinMarks
which is sort-of what this chap keeps pushing
NelsonMinar
bt is only good for 100k+ files
ChrisDodo
hmmm, a cheap hacked together http stack replacement? eeep!
NelsonMinar
really, 1m+
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TrevorFSmith
because I'm willing to replace the #1 protocol stack I use...
not
_sj_
jseng: what?
genmon_
did anyone get that url of the stack?
TrevorFSmith
http://onionnetworks.com/products/swarmstream/sspe/
genmon_
ta
KevinMarks
that si it's design centre, sure
ChrisDodo
first person to ask jwales 'so, who makes money out of this?' wins a prize
TrevorFSmith
Patient 0 is on stage.
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lobo_
germs...
_sj_
:)
holgate_
that Larry Ellison beard may answer your question, ChrisDodo.
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joe_hughes
the long tail of languages
_sj_
so what's the general proportion of talk-time to Q/A time?
sky__
so because it is dynamic, it is high quality ?
holgate_
Wikipedia expressed through the international language of dance.
TrevorFSmith
1:0
paulm
who's funding it now?
danyelf
Anyone thinking of the French Enlightenment Encyclopedia thing?
_sj_
paul: small donations.
hober
donations mainly
_sj_
grants.
NelsonMinar
http://www.boingboing.net/2005/03/16/corys_talk_from_etec.html
paulm
sounds like a model meeting its demise some time soon with this growth ;-)
_sj_
lots of in-kind bandwidth/hosting offers.
lyza
waits for the poor bastard to keel over
_sj_
those grow proportional to popularity, too...
rossm
is he describing blogs?
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holgate_
yep, danyelf. Denis Diderot territory.
NelsonMinar
wikipediaslist.com
lyza
uhhoh
wikicities?
I'm having 1997 flashbacks
_sj_
lyza: totally :)
knauer_
looks like http://www.wikicities.com just crashed
lyza
giggles
NelsonMinar
what's the hamster dance of wikicities?
UCSDBigD
time to buy another server
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genmon_
heh
lobo_
doh
_sj_
UCSDBigD: if only it were that easy...
TrevorFSmith
Wikicities is where to shunt people who just want to futz with a mediawiki? To keep them from wikipedia?
holgate_
that diff reminds me of xanadu.
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_sj_
(where's xanadu these days? still being developed?)
holgate_
lol
UCSDBigD
great movie
lyza
guys, guys
Don't send your php database errors to the whole world like that
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lyza
I mean, I'm happy to know all about the objectcache table schema
stops complaining
joe_hughes
so wikicities basically provides hosting for alternate namespaces using mediawiki?
TrevorFSmith
joe_hughes: with ads
jbond
I don't work, I just hang out on IRC all day and talk to people
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hober
It's true too
#wikipedia, #wikimedia, #mediawiki, here on freenode
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NelsonMinar
they need a new music programmer
UCSDBigD
now we're rockin
_sj_
ooh, music
NelsonMinar
"yo bitch move the stick around"
maybe that's not actually the lyric?
holgate_
beardsonomies on the stage.
Suw
hey sj
jemstone
its like starbucks (the music)
_sj_
suw++
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Suw
how ya doing?
_sj_
speaking of wikimedia...
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/sj/2005/03/16#a832
cross-conference pollination :)
submit proposals for Wikimania! this summer...
UCSDBigD
cell phone
MattJones
nice gradient of beard on the sofa
_sj_
doing well...
MattJones
and hair
UCSDBigD
and head hair
danyelf
Theres very real issues with the ways that Wikipedia authenticates people, as Roger (of Tor) was pointing out. Very worth thinking about ...
UCSDBigD
heh
_sj_
my chair is right... in the sunlight right now
holgate_
now, stewart was an hairy man, but josh was an smooth man.
_sj_
what ways?
plasticb1g
for Cal: http://www.stevespix.com/Piggy-Back.jpg
_sj_
wishes for transcripts
njt
representatives of wankr, wankipedia, and wanklicious to talk about wanksonomies
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MattJones
holgate_ you got religion?
plasticb1g
oi
TrevorFSmith
_sj_: ITConversations will air the sessions soon enough.
plasticb1g
be nice
holgate_
i got King James in my veins.
njt
sorry, i twitch whenever I sense "tagging will change the world!" conversations starting
Suw
hey tom
_sj_
trevor: feh to 'soon enough'
plasticb1g
heya
_sj_
njt: too late...
suw, how's life? not on this side of the pond, are you?
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Suw
sadly i couldn't make it over, but if you see KevinMarks on a break you may find me on his laptop :)
UCSDBigD
you should here library catalogers go on about this
holgate_
the german del.icio.us tags are all 45 letter long compound words that wreck the column layout.
Suw
but life is fine - mad busy :)
cybaea
lol
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NelsonMinar
why don't tags have spaces in most systems?
KevinMarks
tags have a long tail
http://www.technorati.com/live/tagpower.swf
NelsonMinar
I'm really tired of 'wordsruntogether'
hober
NelsonMinar: hyphens are your friend
KevinMarks
delicious insists on spaces as delimiters
Suw
km!
holgate_
because tag entry fields are space-separated.
UCSDBigD
that graph is hard to read
jbond
I can't hear this
KevinMarks
flickr allows spaces but you cna put quotes areound 2-word ones
alice
me neither
joho
me neither
KevinMarks
but it folds them down to spaceless too
alice
stuart is fuzzy
holgate_
which no-one does.
plasticb1g
he's all mumbly
jbond
why aren't tags comma separated
alice
the audio isnt helping
UCSDBigD
cuz he's cool
cybaea
mumbly is the word :-)
Ouch
_sj_
could they use larger fonts for those graphs?
NelsonMinar
beatbox!
seanbonner_
ouch
KevinMarks
Tags on blogs can have spaces
danyelf
sj, the graph is zoomable
UCSDBigD
who is the guy talking? where's he from?
NelsonMinar
joshua shachter
seanbonner_
i can't zoom the graph
KevinMarks
http://www.technorati.com/tag/san+diego
NelsonMinar
he runs del.icio.us
TrevorFSmith
geourl + del.icio.us
holgate_
josh schacter. mr del.icio.us
TrevorFSmith
and memepool
UCSDBigD
neat!
KevinMarks
no longer geourl
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Josh_D
joho
memepool + geourl + delivious
UCSDBigD
thanks
TrevorFSmith
KevinMarks: nod
UCSDBigD
and thanks for the zoom info
seanbonner_
how to zoon?
zoom?
danyelf
sean: hm. on my system, right click and hit "zoom". <-- is using windows.
todbot
right-click
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mikel_maron
http://brainoff.com/worldkit/delicious/
seanbonner_
is't that what technorati is doing?
danyelf
[who was that?]
UCSDBigD
i love the user side of the Gallery photo software, but it's braindead that i need to copy a picture more than once to put it in multiple albums
KevinMarks
indeed we are
neb_
mark "shared metadata" canter
ChrisDodo
searching on flickr for the tag 'nokia' is impossible
seanbonner_
there's no way Marc dosen't know that right? RIGHT??
mikel_maron
rel attributes
Suw
so long as he keeps his hands of my metadata i don't care
neb_
sean: he wants "standards", not aggregation
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JimH_ is now known as JimH_Taco.
JimH_Taco
JimH_
JimH_
TrevorFSmith
standard folksonomy. right....
jbond
MC keeps asking for this. don't get what he's asking for.
KevinMarks
thats what makes them complementary
DaveMc500hats
definitely better be careful b4 u start 'plugging things into each other'
seanbonner_
is anyone else sick of the word "folksonomy"?
plasticb1g
yes
DaveMc500hats
especially if the other is Canter
jbond
yes
MattJones
joshua sex: "don't cross the streams"
joe_hughes
how about "remix"?
MattJones
sez
oops!
todbot
volkswagony
plasticb1g
I thought it was fauxonomy when I first heard it
which I think is way better
hober
better for whom?
KevinMarks
thats cool
NelsonMinar
that's a good pun
KevinMarks
tagsonomy
ChrisDodo
gah! tags aren't/don't have to be 'good'
MattJones
the fuzzy logic version: fogsonomy
genmon_
"good tags" stupid
hober
ChrisDodo: exactly
jbond
why do they have to be "better"
plasticb1g
well it's less of a hideous etymological abomination, but only just
seanbonner_
fucksonme
neb_
fauxsonomy! i <heart> fuaxsonomy
danyelf
Chris, Hober: I disagree.
NelsonMinar
http://www.google.com/search?q=fauxonomy&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
plasticb1g
at the BBC we're using 'folk tags' cos it sounds less wanky
NelsonMinar
hey, you already did that.
DaveMc500hats
comeongetonomy
KevinMarks
http://www.technorati.com/tag/fauxonomy
plasticb1g
fauxonomy is nice, isn't it
KevinMarks
you cna be first to blog it
plasticb1g
we don't have to tell anyone then
I keep meaning to, never get around to it
DaveMc500hats
fauxonomy is pretty sweet
plasticb1g
you want me to?
I could do it now?
danyelf
Specifically, bad tags make things like "recall" and "finding stuff again" and "organization" rough.
KevinMarks
race you
neb_
yay!
MattJones
it's just faceted classification... >runds and hides<
Suw
i hate the word folk - it reminds me of interminable music festivals in deepest darkest Sidmouth
NelsonMinar
smelly hippies
adamhill
filksonomy
seanbonner_
i just think of gangs
KevinMarks
try everythign once except incest and folk dancing?
MattJones
funksonomy
NelsonMinar
you'll be free ontologists, you'll be free
todbot
droogsonomy
genmon_
danyelf: they were talking about feedback on good/bad tags. if it's personal use, then just using the system is the feedback you need
seanbonner_
In Chicago all the gangs are either "people" or "folks"
NelsonMinar
join us now and share the metadata, you'll be free
Suw
KevinMarks: did you just challenge tom to a blogging race?
neb_
volksonomy has a totalitarian ring
MattJones
if you fake the funksonomy, your nose will grow
Suw
puts money on tom blogging next before marks
jbond
The funksonomy is on the mother ship. Funkadelic baby
ChrisDodo
well he is a lifetime award winning blogger
jbond
Listen for The One
MattJones
free your tags, and your ass will follow
UCSDBigD
nuther great movie
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Suw
of course, for political blogs is should be Fawkesonomy
jemstone
post funksonomy
neb_
"flickr and delicious" is beginning to be paired like some kind of folk rock duo
belle and sebatian
NelsonMinar
no one talks about furl anymore
ChrisDodo
no one here talks about furl ;)
Suw
jemstone: punksonomy?
danyelf
genmon_: we can talk about this offline, but there's a real challenge in the fact that I post "java" and you post "jdk", and i end up having a lot of trouble remembering which I used or how. Or making this cool resource I've found visible to everyone else.
Suw
i like furl
NelsonMinar
oh, he said "semantic web"
todbot
and "folksonomic"
TrevorFSmith
Did he just "folksonomic"?
jbond
me makes sign of cross
adamhill
boot to the head!
hober
NelsonMinar: no, he said "Semantic Web":)
ChrisDodo
danyelf: so you try one, and then the other
MattJones
progrocksonomy
KevinMarks
danyelf: look at related tags
MattJones
the semantic web is a concept album
UCSDBigD
can't we just fo rdf?
ChrisDodo
the semantic web as a concept album
UCSDBigD
ducks
do
NelsonMinar
or is that <bundle><noun xmlns="http://www.w3c.org/SentenceMarkup">Semantic web</noun></bundle>
KevinMarks
that reminds me, woudl there be interest in me giving a 'lowercase semantic web' talk this evening?
adamhill
'Tales of Semantic Oceans'
plasticb1g
Cal's coming in with somehting funny
hober
KevinMarks: yes
seanbonner_
someone throw a rock at that guy
plasticb1g
You ready for this
hours of thought
jbond
Another namespace in the wall
plasticb1g
It's too good, you may die
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adamhill
hit us platic
TrevorFSmith
plasticb1g: We're all sitting down.
UCSDBigD
kevin - yep
cheesebikini
blokesonomy
sexygirl153
http://www.rubyonrael.com/
plasticb1g
there you go
good isn't it
UCSDBigD
SFW?
NelsonMinar
awesome!
plasticb1g
it's like a PUN!
danyelf
kevin: ok, i grant that "related tags" is a step forward, but it tweaks navigation in various ways. which may be a good thing or not.
ChrisDodo
_like_ a pun
tengi
"Tales of Taxonomic Oceans"
plasticb1g
you're laughing inside and you know youa re
TrevorFSmith
It aspires to be a pun.
Josh_D
"Court of the Crimson Tag"
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cheesebikini
thats baroquesonomy
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ChrisDodo
gothsonomy?
seanbonner_
http://www.seanbonner.com/blog/archives/001553.php
TrevorFSmith
drunksonomy?
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plasticb1g
http://www.plasticbag.org/archives/2005/03/folksonomy_vs_fauxonomy.shtml
it's not a great post.
seanbonner_
crapsonomy
neb_
we are creating a jokesonmy
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Josh_D
Drunksonomy would be useful the morning after, when you're wondering "what the hell did I _drink_ last night?"
ChrisDodo
plasticb1g: they'll take your award away
neb_
groans
UCSDBigD
i needed irc and a laptop in highschool
plasticb1g
I know. Shame.
sexygirl153
giggles
UCSDBigD
instead, i'd say this crap out loud
NelsonMinar
quiet part loud
cheesebikini
mosquito in a nudist resort
cybaea
Re Cory's EDS comments: See /.
danyelf
chrisdodo, articulating all the "right" tags on a topic is rough. JDK, sure. Java, sure. Do I want programming_language, programming-langauge, IDE, and objectoriented too? it's non-trivial to figure out how ot distill a collective picture from a specific person.
jbond
it's the Tagsurf guy
danyelf
(er, "from a set of tagged items.")
Suw
i never remember to tag :-/
UCSDBigD
rdf
jbond
Just waiting for Bill Kearney to stand up.
seanbonner_
i auto tag
TrevorFSmith
googleTagws
plasticb1g
cybaea: what's the URL?
sexygirl153
why does something ned to bring together all tagging
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Suw
wow, when they go for coffee, they really go for coffee
TrevorFSmith
And then we get back onlin.e
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sniffles
waves to jseng
jseng
hey sniffles!
hug sniffles.
how are you dear?
Suw
hey sniffles! jseng!
jseng
hey suw
Suw
one day, when i am all growed up, i want to come to one of these conferbumblence thingies
jseng
sniffles, u here at etech? or still in canada?
lol
KevinMarks
packs suw in his laptop
Suw
:)
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Suw
KevinMarks++
repeatedly
jseng
grin.
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sniffles
woo.
is lagged bad
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sniffles
jseng: i'm in canada :)
hugs jseng back
been awhile!
jseng
oww..i thought i finally get to see you...
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jseng
yea, been a while
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sniffles
salut SebPaquet
jseng
so how have u been?
SebPaquet
salut sniffles
sniffles
jseng: hehe, sorry to disappoint! been good, more or less settled here now :) you?
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jseng
flying around for conferences last few months
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jseng
need to settle down next month at home...
and get some work done
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jseng
etech has been nice so far..altho this morning has been a bit draggy
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sniffles
living the high life ;)
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jseng
i am not sure this is what you call high life :P
Suw
the geek highlife
sniffles
jseng: heh, where's home these days?
SebPaquet
40,000 feet is high
jseng
ya, more like geek life :P
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jseng
still in singapore
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sexygirl153
for those of you who were on the beach last night:
http://www.rubyonrael.com/meatspace/
Josh_D
Each of us is just wearing an unlicensed nuclear accelerator on his back...
hober
must be some cockroach
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KevinMarks
the real beach or the faux beach at the W?
sexygirl153
faux, always faux
holgate
"If Pacman had affected us as kids we'd be running around in dark rooms, munching pills and listening to repetitive music."
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plasticbag
arf
KevinMarks
?whois sexygirl153
jibot
Nobody has defined sexygirl153 yet
Ewan_
Why Pacman? Defender was MUCH better
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sexygirl153
is me
pixelcort
Try playing Defender on the street like that.
plasticbag
Am I just really realyl well connected this year or is lots of the stuff people have talked about over the last 36 hours kind of familiar?
KevinMarks
so, for defender, you have helicopters?
Suw
hey joi!
holgate
esp. in manhattan.
Josh_D
It's in New York. If you were going to start shooting at green mutants, you'd end up starting a massacre.
Ewan_
Tom, probably...
plasticbag
Sam Ruby's looking at me funny
Suw
plasticbag: you're just too far ahead of the curve
Ewan_
Or it could be that the net iotself is devouring stories faster and reaching out more and more to the edges of geek envelopes
plasticbag
is scared
cybaea
plasticbag: No much new here this year
No==Not
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KevinMarks
tom is shaping the curve wiht his gravitaional pull
jbond
There was a *lot* of *beta* stuff last year.
plasticbag
oi! I am NOT FAT.
Suw
ha ha ha
Ewan_
Big boned?
KevinMarks
but you are on the pull?
plasticbag
always!
Suw
what lies beyond the curve, tom? tell us!
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jibot
wseltzer is Wendy Seltzer and works for the EFF and blogs at http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/
sexygirl153
meatspace
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Suw
hey wendy