buridan and my marx number is 5 but marx has been dead longer alice joined the chat room. alice ~alice@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com alice njt joined the chat room. njt ~gnat@c-24-9-55-174.client.comcast.net njt todbot groucho or harpo? seanbonner_ termie: what, like I'm some kind of blogger or something? termie puts on his Canter Number: 1 shirt UCSDBigD hmm, what would YOU male? make buridan bah, zeppo was the writer jemstone etech fab lab would probably be like my kids fave show: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/cha​racterpages/fablab/index.shtml UCSDBigD i'd make a killer robot NelsonMinar one of my media lab colleagues made his wedding ring at the Media Lab lathe termie UCSDBigD: chainsaw arms? jbond laser eyes UCSDBigD you'll put youe eye out i did a glassblowing class it was cool actually it was hot seanbonner_ I'd make a bomb TrevorFSmith A martini fountain. lyza My flickr account is still in pending :( so I cannot share my etech photos. seanbonner_ did you put your eye out with the blown glass? UCSDBigD nope. burned my thumb tho and made an ugly cool globe danyel joined the chat room. danyel ~danyelf@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com danyel Earthman lyza: Flickr screen name? lyza lyza termie starts duplicating danyel's email sorting thing tengi joined the chat room. tengi ~tengi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com tengi lyza /photos/lyza Earthman OK, see what I can do UCSDBigD earthman's got skillz or the flikr guy's passwd Earthman No guarantees... UCSDBigD jet pack danyel termie, go for it! lyza Thanks so much TrevorFSmith A second head. I'm two behind stelarc. seanbonner_ I'm posting a photo of my row right now lyza cool! Row photos! termie seanbonner_: did you get a power strip row? seanbonner_ yes, but you know I have my own powerstrip, and extension cord knauer_ joined the chat room. knauer_ ~josh@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com knauer_ smagdali is now known as stefan. stefan smagdali smagdali termie "seanbonner, power conference blogger" stefan that's better Earthman would iFab a powerstrip UCSDBigD heh MattJones i really want a shed pixelcor1 left the chat room. pixelcor1 ~pixelcort@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com pixelcor1 genmon_ joined the chat room. genmon_ ~genmon@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com genmon_ NelsonMinar wow, the flickr etech photos are boring seanbonner_ would make a hammer NelsonMinar: that's a surprise? NelsonMinar it's like "hundreds of badly lit photos of geeks, slightly from below" termie NelsonMinar: people need moee free drinks Earthman MicroVC would help us get more power strips cybaea Just the recent ones - a few good shots the early days termie s/moee/more UCSDBigD is Apple gonna have real food tonight? cybaea Wireless power. Somebody please invent it. NelsonMinar still has a hard time ignoring the scatalogical meaning of 'make' termie cybaea: you hurt me. knauer_ McLabs! seanbonner_ I'd make a sandwich cybaea termie: Oh no :-( lyza is trying to figure out whether to be hurt, not sure if anyone can see her photos wch2 left the chat room. wch2 ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com wch2 todbot left the chat room. todbot ~tod@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com todbot cybaea termie: Probably didn't mean it. Flickr down now: can't see your shots NelsonMinar flickr up for me termie cybaea: up for me, too Earthman Hmm, Flickr works for me DId you ever meet an engineer who didn't say, "It works for me!" cybaea Maybe just this page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/orei​lly/page4/ jwales left the chat room. jwales ~jwales@Jimbo-Wales.wikipedia "Leaving" jwales cybaea Back for me now.... You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. NelsonMinar his hands are trembling, and I don't think he's nervous jbond I'm reading people's T shirt slogans UCSDBigD we had him come talk at the UCSD Libraries on Monday he's good dude pmarca joined the chat room. pmarca ~pmarca@bighorn.opsware.com pmarca knauer left the chat room. knauer ~josh@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) knauer genmon left the chat room. genmon ~genmon@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) genmon plasticbag left the chat room. plasticbag ~tom@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) plasticbag NelsonMinar wow, interesting point on EDS michaelh1lton left the chat room. michaelh1lton ~michaelhi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) michaelh1lton seanbonner_ he said "The Man" dviner left the chat room. dviner ~daveviner@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) dviner termie sticks it jbond Right ON! plasticb1g yeah - EFF anti-man rhetoric is getting a bit out of hand what's wrong with the man anyway UCSDBigD cory is Shaft plasticb1g he seems nice cheesebikini outta hand rhetoric++ imajes_ hey tom! congrats on the bloggie NelsonMinar there's a technical solution to this key concentration problem. plasticb1g thaks NelsonMinar it requires key revocation, but that will be practical in a few years jbond but won't be practical for a few years. luckily. genmon_ i wonder what cory thinks about mmopgs, with hardwired permission bits seanbonner_ You know you don't need a key to start a prius wseltzer joined the chat room. wseltzer ~wseltzer@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com wseltzer stefan left the chat room. stefan ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Remote closed the connection stefan jbond There should have been a session on hacking the Prius UCSDBigD my buddy's prius's battery died imajes_ love flickr. Parse error: parse error, unexpected T_ENDIF in /var/www/html/www.flickr.com/temp​lates_c/%%-21^%%-2145952649^inc_ph​otos_user_other_photo.txt.php on line 51 UCSDBigD he plugged his phone into the charger, and the car vampired the charge and he could get started jbond heh lobo left the chat room. lobo ~a@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) lobo plasticb1g <cal> working on it jbond I bet he could have run the car off USB holgate_ DRM is like the Evil Twin of Open API web services. rossm joined the chat room. rossm ~Snak@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com rossm NelsonMinar The Microsoft/Intel cooperation on trusted computing (aka Palladium) is very very dangerous lobo_ heh NelsonMinar it keeps progressing, but quietly. knauer_ the batteries for the engines on hybrids are different from the battery used to power plugs, lights, etc... at least in my honda hybrid holgate_ Open API stuff is another kind of Trusted Computing, but it's a trust in non-lockdown. jbond OSS is faith based joe_hughes Nelson: do you have a good reference on the key revocation thing? NelsonMinar joe - the concept? I'd try wikipedia. tengi left the chat room. tengi ~tengi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com tengi NelsonMinar my belief it'll be practical in a few years? no, no reference, just my guess miker joined the chat room. miker ~miker@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com miker NelsonMinar croak! tengi joined the chat room. tengi ~tengi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com tengi jbond knauer. Are they Optimum lead acid, or more exotic? seanbonner_ He's done, anyone have any final comments before I post this? TrevorFSmith Since trusted computing will be so completely unusable, shouldn't we just make certain that untrusted computing is available and let the market sort it out? UCSDBigD did he call us all frogs? lobo_ croak? danyelf Ribbit. NelsonMinar the problem is trusted computing will dominate the market partly because of the trusted computing market power cybaea Good speech NelsonMinar partly because people want to watch DVDs on their computers. jbond So where is Apple in all this? plasticb1g <cal> flickr bug all fixed NelsonMinar and in a few years, the only way to watch DVDs may well be trusted UCSDBigD how about mosaic? TrevorFSmith The use scenarious for trusted computing sucks. Completely. plasticb1g (1) Complex Ecosystems regularly fail. We see it around ourselves all the time. Human beings have to protect many of these ecosystems by management. Do we just let ecosystems online that are subsumed by spam or whatever fail? knauer_ my honda has nickel metal hydride batteries that power the electric engine TrevorFSmith So it will drive people to indie media. Which is what we want, right? wseltzer I'd like to think that independent media could show competitive advantage against these restrictions, but I think that's not true yet NelsonMinar indie media isn't going to save cmoputing plasticb1g (2) Keeping the carriers neutral is great. But when can we actually move past this artificial binary between total libertarian concepts of freedom and some weird evil system of control and actually move the debate on? Can we talk about how we find different models beyond this stupid distinction and /try/ to build software that creates /better ecosystems that aren't as easy to game or spam and still preserve freedoms. Or should we just sit in our hober joined the chat room. hober ~ted@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com hober TrevorFSmith Computing doesn't need saving. plasticb1g VERY BORED OF THIS DEBATE. tigoe joined the chat room. tigoe ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com tigoe jbond plasticbig++ alice yeah. new business models. let's go. jbond So we're dis-satisfied. So change it. plasticb1g Understand the need for it, because there are people int he world who want to assert total control, but don't think the solution to that kind of ludicrous position is just to argue the opposite. wseltzer can we agree that there is no "perfect" system? jbond implementation rules. All the rest is just academic wanking plasticb1g yes. can we also argue that there is the possibility of better systems. lobo_ surely darwinian evolution will eventually wead out the weaker ecosystems/organisms - it just takes time plasticb1g and that we should be aspiring to those and not pissing in the foothills. problem is e-mail has total dominance in its niche wseltzer yes, if we stop reaching for the kind of perfection that drives out creativity plasticb1g there are no other competing beasts at that level if it dies, we have no e-mail UCSDBigD bittorrent. move on JSchwa joined the chat room. JSchwa ~jschwa@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com JSchwa plasticb1g so let's find a hybridised, federalised e-mail system that inter-operates or something lobo_ ok - but email may not be the best answer plasticb1g so let's find a hybridised, federalised e-mail system that inter-operates or something ass JohnHoward left the chat room. JohnHoward ~John@gatea.thls.bbc.co.uk "Xirc - MacOSX" JohnHoward cybaea Did anydoy get that file system link? knauer_ he squashed the butterfly seanbonner_ http://www.seanbonner.com/blog/arc​hives/001552.php danyel left the chat room. danyel ~danyelf@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Connection timed out danyel danyelf PlasticBig: on a related note, ran into this quote yesterday: "[Lots of people have starved to death waiting for carriers to become dumb pipes. Carriers depend on return on investment and cash flow-- customers and revenues are just metrics that may help a carrier get there. It takes real money to run a network] " jseng okay, bittorrent :-P joho joined the chat room. joho ~dweinberg@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com joho cybaea Another dead butterfly plasticb1g poor butterflies pb joined the chat room. pb ~pb@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com pb noidfish cybaea: http://justin.chapweske.com/lfs-s​hame/ UCSDBigD homey don't buy no fault tolertant server, yo. dviner joined the chat room. dviner ~daveviner@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com dviner cybaea noidfish: thanks raelity joined the chat room. raelity ~raelity@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com raelity njt plasticb1g: "hybridised, feralised e-mail system" mathowie joined the chat room. mathowie ~mathowie@66.117.43.150 mathowie KevinMarks hello? checksums? danyelf JSeng, Bittorrent is great for the top 2% most popular bits of the web. What about the rest of it? massive back-catalogs, etc? UCSDBigD he likes that slashy circel KevinMarks you can use plain http for those raelity left the chat room. raelity ~raelity@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com raelity plasticb1g was just suggesting that we need to find different species of e-mail that might be able to inter-operate NelsonMinar does anyone know why Bram doesn't want forward error correction in bittorrent? plasticb1g and let markets and people's desires and needs manifest themselves KevinMarks BT is for when lots of ppl want to hit the same server at aonce raelity joined the chat room. raelity ~raelity@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com raelity plasticb1g if the mad porno lady yesterday is right, then everyone will go for total anonymity UCSDBigD the butterfly has been healed lobo_ placsitg1g : agreed plasticb1g that's an ecosystem seanbonner_ anonymity is good er, can be good plasticb1g anonymity can be good, can be bad KevinMarks Nelson: because it operates over a reliable protocol (TCP)? plasticb1g can cause as much damage as it does good ChrisDodo so now you have to trust all these personal computers? plasticb1g ludicrous to argue one over the other jseng stream!!?? plasticb1g have to push past the distinction and find something better KevinMarks pseudonymity is good plasticb1g maybe pseudonymity - on NelsonMinar kevin - no, good FEC would let you complete the download before you get all 100% of the download. solves the "last missing piece" problem plasticb1g yeah lpqboy joined the chat room. lpqboy ~lpqboy@65.215.221.58 lpqboy plasticb1g one person correlates to one user name, no way of tracing between the two holy grail of small scale online community management maybe not appropriate for pan web identity KevinMarks like fountain thingy noidfish uh? did i miss the bit where he actually explained how this works? is it a plugin? something in the network layer? plasticb1g maybe not good for e-mail noidfish i don't get it KevinMarks I liek the idea of BT as a HTTP proxy lobo_ kinda like a private circuit for identity? KevinMarks which is sort-of what this chap keeps pushing NelsonMinar bt is only good for 100k+ files ChrisDodo hmmm, a cheap hacked together http stack replacement? eeep! NelsonMinar really, 1m+ eleanor joined the chat room. eleanor ~eleanor@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com eleanor tigoe left the chat room. tigoe ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0/20041107]" tigoe TrevorFSmith because I'm willing to replace the #1 protocol stack I use... not _sj_ jseng: what? genmon_ did anyone get that url of the stack? TrevorFSmith http://onionnetworks.com/products/​swarmstream/sspe/ genmon_ ta KevinMarks that si it's design centre, sure ChrisDodo first person to ask jwales 'so, who makes money out of this?' wins a prize TrevorFSmith Patient 0 is on stage. ccoryell joined the chat room. ccoryell ~ccoryell@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com ccoryell lobo_ germs... _sj_ :) holgate_ that Larry Ellison beard may answer your question, ChrisDodo. dviner left the chat room. dviner ~daveviner@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) dviner joe_hughes the long tail of languages _sj_ so what's the general proportion of talk-time to Q/A time? sky__ so because it is dynamic, it is high quality ? holgate_ Wikipedia expressed through the international language of dance. TrevorFSmith 1:0 paulm who's funding it now? danyelf Anyone thinking of the French Enlightenment Encyclopedia thing? _sj_ paul: small donations. hober donations mainly _sj_ grants. NelsonMinar http://www.boingboing.net/2005/03/​16/corys_talk_from_etec.html paulm sounds like a model meeting its demise some time soon with this growth ;-) _sj_ lots of in-kind bandwidth/hosting offers. lyza waits for the poor bastard to keel over _sj_ those grow proportional to popularity, too... rossm is he describing blogs? michaelh3lton joined the chat room. michaelh3lton ~michaelhi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com michaelh3lton holgate_ yep, danyelf. Denis Diderot territory. NelsonMinar wikipediaslist.com lyza uhhoh wikicities? I'm having 1997 flashbacks _sj_ lyza: totally :) knauer_ looks like http://www.wikicities.com just crashed lyza giggles NelsonMinar what's the hamster dance of wikicities? UCSDBigD time to buy another server tigoe joined the chat room. tigoe ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com tigoe genmon_ heh lobo_ doh _sj_ UCSDBigD: if only it were that easy... TrevorFSmith Wikicities is where to shunt people who just want to futz with a mediawiki? To keep them from wikipedia? holgate_ that diff reminds me of xanadu. mrfixter joined the chat room. mrfixter ~mrfixter@host81-157-145-173.range81-157.btcentralplus.com mrfixter _sj_ (where's xanadu these days? still being developed?) holgate_ lol UCSDBigD great movie lyza guys, guys Don't send your php database errors to the whole world like that mrfixter left the chat room. mrfixter ~mrfixter@host81-157-145-173.range81-157.btcentralplus.com mrfixter lyza I mean, I'm happy to know all about the objectcache table schema stops complaining joe_hughes so wikicities basically provides hosting for alternate namespaces using mediawiki? TrevorFSmith joe_hughes: with ads jbond I don't work, I just hang out on IRC all day and talk to people neb_ joined the chat room. neb_ ~neb@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com neb_ hober It's true too #wikipedia, #wikimedia, #mediawiki, here on freenode Suw joined the chat room. Suw ~Suw@suw.user Suw NelsonMinar they need a new music programmer UCSDBigD now we're rockin _sj_ ooh, music NelsonMinar "yo bitch move the stick around" maybe that's not actually the lyric? holgate_ beardsonomies on the stage. Suw hey sj jemstone its like starbucks (the music) _sj_ suw++ RussB joined the chat room. RussB ~RussB@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com RussB Suw how ya doing? _sj_ speaking of wikimedia... http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/sj/20​05/03/16#a832 cross-conference pollination :) submit proposals for Wikimania! this summer... UCSDBigD cell phone MattJones nice gradient of beard on the sofa _sj_ doing well... MattJones and hair UCSDBigD and head hair danyelf Theres very real issues with the ways that Wikipedia authenticates people, as Roger (of Tor) was pointing out. Very worth thinking about ... UCSDBigD heh _sj_ my chair is right... in the sunlight right now holgate_ now, stewart was an hairy man, but josh was an smooth man. _sj_ what ways? plasticb1g for Cal: http://www.stevespix.com/Piggy-Ba​ck.jpg _sj_ wishes for transcripts njt representatives of wankr, wankipedia, and wanklicious to talk about wanksonomies todbot joined the chat room. todbot ~tod@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com todbot MattJones holgate_ you got religion? plasticb1g oi TrevorFSmith _sj_: ITConversations will air the sessions soon enough. plasticb1g be nice holgate_ i got King James in my veins. njt sorry, i twitch whenever I sense "tagging will change the world!" conversations starting Suw hey tom _sj_ trevor: feh to 'soon enough' plasticb1g heya _sj_ njt: too late... suw, how's life? not on this side of the pond, are you? mike joined the chat room. mike ~mm@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com mike Suw sadly i couldn't make it over, but if you see KevinMarks on a break you may find me on his laptop :) UCSDBigD you should here library catalogers go on about this holgate_ the german del.icio.us tags are all 45 letter long compound words that wreck the column layout. Suw but life is fine - mad busy :) cybaea lol tigoe left the chat room. tigoe ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0/20041107]" tigoe NelsonMinar why don't tags have spaces in most systems? KevinMarks tags have a long tail http://www.technorati.com/live/tag​power.swf NelsonMinar I'm really tired of 'wordsruntogether' hober NelsonMinar: hyphens are your friend KevinMarks delicious insists on spaces as delimiters Suw km! holgate_ because tag entry fields are space-separated. UCSDBigD that graph is hard to read jbond I can't hear this KevinMarks flickr allows spaces but you cna put quotes areound 2-word ones alice me neither joho me neither KevinMarks but it folds them down to spaceless too alice stuart is fuzzy holgate_ which no-one does. plasticb1g he's all mumbly jbond why aren't tags comma separated alice the audio isnt helping UCSDBigD cuz he's cool cybaea mumbly is the word :-) Ouch _sj_ could they use larger fonts for those graphs? NelsonMinar beatbox! seanbonner_ ouch KevinMarks Tags on blogs can have spaces danyelf sj, the graph is zoomable UCSDBigD who is the guy talking? where's he from? NelsonMinar joshua shachter seanbonner_ i can't zoom the graph KevinMarks http://www.technorati.com/tag/san+​diego NelsonMinar he runs del.icio.us TrevorFSmith geourl + del.icio.us holgate_ josh schacter. mr del.icio.us TrevorFSmith and memepool UCSDBigD neat! KevinMarks no longer geourl Josh_D joined the chat room. Josh_D ~joshd@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Josh_D joho memepool + geourl + delivious UCSDBigD thanks TrevorFSmith KevinMarks: nod UCSDBigD and thanks for the zoom info seanbonner_ how to zoon? zoom? danyelf sean: hm. on my system, right click and hit "zoom". <-- is using windows. todbot right-click You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. mikel_maron http://brainoff.com/worldkit/delic​ious/ seanbonner_ is't that what technorati is doing? danyelf [who was that?] UCSDBigD i love the user side of the Gallery photo software, but it's braindead that i need to copy a picture more than once to put it in multiple albums KevinMarks indeed we are neb_ mark "shared metadata" canter ChrisDodo searching on flickr for the tag 'nokia' is impossible seanbonner_ there's no way Marc dosen't know that right? RIGHT?? mikel_maron rel attributes Suw so long as he keeps his hands of my metadata i don't care neb_ sean: he wants "standards", not aggregation JimH_ joined the chat room. JimH_ ~JimH@212.183.128.185 JimH_ JimH_ is now known as JimH_Taco. JimH_Taco JimH_ JimH_ TrevorFSmith standard folksonomy. right.... jbond MC keeps asking for this. don't get what he's asking for. KevinMarks thats what makes them complementary DaveMc500hats definitely better be careful b4 u start 'plugging things into each other' seanbonner_ is anyone else sick of the word "folksonomy"? plasticb1g yes DaveMc500hats especially if the other is Canter jbond yes MattJones joshua sex: "don't cross the streams" joe_hughes how about "remix"? MattJones sez oops! todbot volkswagony plasticb1g I thought it was fauxonomy when I first heard it which I think is way better hober better for whom? KevinMarks thats cool NelsonMinar that's a good pun KevinMarks tagsonomy ChrisDodo gah! tags aren't/don't have to be 'good' MattJones the fuzzy logic version: fogsonomy genmon_ "good tags" stupid hober ChrisDodo: exactly jbond why do they have to be "better" plasticb1g well it's less of a hideous etymological abomination, but only just seanbonner_ fucksonme neb_ fauxsonomy! i <heart> fuaxsonomy danyelf Chris, Hober: I disagree. NelsonMinar http://www.google.com/search?q=fau​xonomy&sourceid=mozilla-search&sta​rt=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&cli​ent=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-U​S:official plasticb1g at the BBC we're using 'folk tags' cos it sounds less wanky NelsonMinar hey, you already did that. DaveMc500hats comeongetonomy KevinMarks http://www.technorati.com/tag/faux​onomy plasticb1g fauxonomy is nice, isn't it KevinMarks you cna be first to blog it plasticb1g we don't have to tell anyone then I keep meaning to, never get around to it DaveMc500hats fauxonomy is pretty sweet plasticb1g you want me to? I could do it now? danyelf Specifically, bad tags make things like "recall" and "finding stuff again" and "organization" rough. KevinMarks race you neb_ yay! MattJones it's just faceted classification... >runds and hides< Suw i hate the word folk - it reminds me of interminable music festivals in deepest darkest Sidmouth NelsonMinar smelly hippies adamhill filksonomy seanbonner_ i just think of gangs KevinMarks try everythign once except incest and folk dancing? MattJones funksonomy NelsonMinar you'll be free ontologists, you'll be free todbot droogsonomy genmon_ danyelf: they were talking about feedback on good/bad tags. if it's personal use, then just using the system is the feedback you need seanbonner_ In Chicago all the gangs are either "people" or "folks" NelsonMinar join us now and share the metadata, you'll be free Suw KevinMarks: did you just challenge tom to a blogging race? neb_ volksonomy has a totalitarian ring MattJones if you fake the funksonomy, your nose will grow Suw puts money on tom blogging next before marks jbond The funksonomy is on the mother ship. Funkadelic baby ChrisDodo well he is a lifetime award winning blogger jbond Listen for The One MattJones free your tags, and your ass will follow UCSDBigD nuther great movie bkdelong joined the chat room. bkdelong ~bkdelong@h-67-102-164-116.cmbrmaor.covad.net bkdelong NiallKennedy joined the chat room. NiallKennedy ~NiallKenn@m206-184.dsl.tsoft.com NiallKennedy Suw of course, for political blogs is should be Fawkesonomy jemstone post funksonomy neb_ "flickr and delicious" is beginning to be paired like some kind of folk rock duo belle and sebatian NelsonMinar no one talks about furl anymore ChrisDodo no one here talks about furl ;) Suw jemstone: punksonomy? danyelf genmon_: we can talk about this offline, but there's a real challenge in the fact that I post "java" and you post "jdk", and i end up having a lot of trouble remembering which I used or how. Or making this cool resource I've found visible to everyone else. Suw i like furl NelsonMinar oh, he said "semantic web" todbot and "folksonomic" TrevorFSmith Did he just "folksonomic"? jbond me makes sign of cross adamhill boot to the head! hober NelsonMinar: no, he said "Semantic Web":) ChrisDodo danyelf: so you try one, and then the other MattJones progrocksonomy KevinMarks danyelf: look at related tags MattJones the semantic web is a concept album UCSDBigD can't we just fo rdf? ChrisDodo the semantic web as a concept album UCSDBigD ducks do NelsonMinar or is that <bundle><noun xmlns="http://www.w3c.org/Sentenc​eMarkup">Semantic web</noun></bundle> KevinMarks that reminds me, woudl there be interest in me giving a 'lowercase semantic web' talk this evening? adamhill 'Tales of Semantic Oceans' plasticb1g Cal's coming in with somehting funny hober KevinMarks: yes seanbonner_ someone throw a rock at that guy plasticb1g You ready for this hours of thought jbond Another namespace in the wall plasticb1g It's too good, you may die sexygirl153 joined the chat room. sexygirl153 ~cal@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com sexygirl153 adamhill hit us platic TrevorFSmith plasticb1g: We're all sitting down. UCSDBigD kevin - yep cheesebikini blokesonomy sexygirl153 http://www.rubyonrael.com/ plasticb1g there you go good isn't it UCSDBigD SFW? NelsonMinar awesome! plasticb1g it's like a PUN! danyelf kevin: ok, i grant that "related tags" is a step forward, but it tweaks navigation in various ways. which may be a good thing or not. ChrisDodo _like_ a pun tengi "Tales of Taxonomic Oceans" plasticb1g you're laughing inside and you know youa re TrevorFSmith It aspires to be a pun. Josh_D "Court of the Crimson Tag" RussB left the chat room. RussB ~RussB@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com RussB cheesebikini thats baroquesonomy paulm left the chat room. paulm ~paulm@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) paulm ChrisDodo gothsonomy? seanbonner_ http://www.seanbonner.com/blog/arc​hives/001553.php TrevorFSmith drunksonomy? njt left the chat room. njt ~gnat@c-24-9-55-174.client.comcast.net Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) njt plasticb1g http://www.plasticbag.org/archives​/2005/03/folksonomy_vs_fauxonomy.s​html it's not a great post. seanbonner_ crapsonomy neb_ we are creating a jokesonmy Paavo joined the chat room. Paavo jplauril@ZYKMMLI.dsl.saunalahti.fi Paavo Josh_D Drunksonomy would be useful the morning after, when you're wondering "what the hell did I _drink_ last night?" ChrisDodo plasticb1g: they'll take your award away neb_ groans UCSDBigD i needed irc and a laptop in highschool plasticb1g I know. Shame. sexygirl153 giggles UCSDBigD instead, i'd say this crap out loud NelsonMinar quiet part loud cheesebikini mosquito in a nudist resort cybaea Re Cory's EDS comments: See /. danyelf chrisdodo, articulating all the "right" tags on a topic is rough. JDK, sure. Java, sure. Do I want programming_language, programming-langauge, IDE, and objectoriented too? it's non-trivial to figure out how ot distill a collective picture from a specific person. jbond it's the Tagsurf guy danyelf (er, "from a set of tagged items.") Suw i never remember to tag :-/ UCSDBigD rdf jbond Just waiting for Bill Kearney to stand up. seanbonner_ i auto tag TrevorFSmith googleTagws plasticb1g cybaea: what's the URL? sexygirl153 why does something ned to bring together all tagging You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. Suw wow, when they go for coffee, they really go for coffee TrevorFSmith And then we get back onlin.e sniffles joined the chat room. sniffles ~steph@132.216.3.12 sniffles jseng joined the chat room. jseng ~jseng@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jseng marksimpkins left the chat room. marksimpkins ~marksimpk@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com marksimpkins Josh_D left the chat room. Josh_D ~joshd@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) Josh_D MattJones left the chat room. MattJones ~MattJones@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) MattJones wseltzer left the chat room. wseltzer ~wseltzer@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) wseltzer UCSDBigD left the chat room. UCSDBigD ~declan@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) UCSDBigD eleanor left the chat room. eleanor ~eleanor@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) eleanor sniffles waves to jseng jseng hey sniffles! hug sniffles. how are you dear? Suw hey sniffles! jseng! jseng hey suw Suw one day, when i am all growed up, i want to come to one of these conferbumblence thingies jseng sniffles, u here at etech? or still in canada? lol KevinMarks packs suw in his laptop Suw :) SDEtech99 joined the chat room. SDEtech99 ~declan@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com SDEtech99 Suw KevinMarks++ repeatedly jseng grin. jbond left the chat room. jbond ~Julian_Bo@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) jbond Ewan_ left the chat room. Ewan_ ~Ewan_@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) Ewan_ sniffles woo. is lagged bad joe_hughes joined the chat room. joe_hughes ~hughes@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com joe_hughes sniffles jseng: i'm in canada :) hugs jseng back been awhile! jseng oww..i thought i finally get to see you... michaelh3lton joined the chat room. michaelh3lton ~michaelhi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com michaelh3lton jseng yea, been a while trientje joined the chat room. trientje ~trientje@80.169.162.72 trientje sniffles salut SebPaquet jseng so how have u been? SebPaquet salut sniffles sniffles jseng: hehe, sorry to disappoint! been good, more or less settled here now :) you? TrevorFSmith left the chat room. TrevorFSmith ~Snak@TrevorFSmith.student.supporter.pdpc TrevorFSmith jseng flying around for conferences last few months sky__ left the chat room. sky__ ~sky@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) sky__ jseng need to settle down next month at home... and get some work done danyel joined the chat room. danyel ~danyelf@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com danyel jseng etech has been nice so far..altho this morning has been a bit draggy NelsonMinar left the chat room. NelsonMinar ~nelson@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) NelsonMinar Ewan_ joined the chat room. Ewan_ ~Ewan_@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Ewan_ zzgavin joined the chat room. zzgavin ~gavin@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com zzgavin jbond joined the chat room. jbond ~Julian_Bo@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jbond sniffles living the high life ;) jemstone joined the chat room. jemstone ~jemstone@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jemstone ccoryell left the chat room. ccoryell ~ccoryell@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "Client exiting" ccoryell alice left the chat room. alice ~alice@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) alice danyelf left the chat room. danyelf ~danyelf@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) danyelf jseng i am not sure this is what you call high life :P Suw the geek highlife sniffles jseng: heh, where's home these days? SebPaquet 40,000 feet is high jseng ya, more like geek life :P JSchwa left the chat room. JSchwa ~jschwa@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) JSchwa jseng still in singapore chris2 joined the chat room. chris2 ~chris@p5488946C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de chris2 jrnoded joined the chat room. jrnoded ~jr@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jrnoded TrevorFSmith joined the chat room. TrevorFSmith ~Snak@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com TrevorFSmith You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. genmon joined the chat room. genmon ~genmon@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com genmon spaceboy joined the chat room. spaceboy ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com spaceboy sexygirl153 for those of you who were on the beach last night: http://www.rubyonrael.com/meatspac​e/ Josh_D Each of us is just wearing an unlicensed nuclear accelerator on his back... hober must be some cockroach knauer_ joined the chat room. knauer_ ~josh@196.sub-70-219-131.myvzw.com knauer_ KevinMarks the real beach or the faux beach at the W? sexygirl153 faux, always faux holgate "If Pacman had affected us as kids we'd be running around in dark rooms, munching pills and listening to repetitive music." jibot joined the chat room. jibot ~jibot@rdns.97.161.62.64.fre.communitycolo.net jibot pixelcort joined the chat room. pixelcort ~pixelcort@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com pixelcort plasticbag arf KevinMarks ?whois sexygirl153 jibot Nobody has defined sexygirl153 yet Ewan_ Why Pacman? Defender was MUCH better JoiIto joined the chat room. JoiIto ~joi@JoiIto.silver.supporter.pdpc JoiIto sexygirl153 is me pixelcort Try playing Defender on the street like that. plasticbag Am I just really realyl well connected this year or is lots of the stuff people have talked about over the last 36 hours kind of familiar? KevinMarks so, for defender, you have helicopters? Suw hey joi! holgate esp. in manhattan. Josh_D It's in New York. If you were going to start shooting at green mutants, you'd end up starting a massacre. Ewan_ Tom, probably... plasticbag Sam Ruby's looking at me funny Suw plasticbag: you're just too far ahead of the curve Ewan_ Or it could be that the net iotself is devouring stories faster and reaching out more and more to the edges of geek envelopes plasticbag is scared cybaea plasticbag: No much new here this year No==Not zzgavin left the chat room. zzgavin ~gavin@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com zzgavin KevinMarks tom is shaping the curve wiht his gravitaional pull jbond There was a *lot* of *beta* stuff last year. plasticbag oi! I am NOT FAT. Suw ha ha ha Ewan_ Big boned? KevinMarks but you are on the pull? plasticbag always! Suw what lies beyond the curve, tom? tell us! wseltzer joined the chat room. wseltzer ~wseltzer@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com wseltzer jibot wseltzer is Wendy Seltzer and works for the EFF and blogs at http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/ sexygirl153 meatspace joho left the chat room. joho ~dweinberg@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) joho Suw hey wendy wseltzer hiya Suw, "saw" you on Kevin's screen marksimpkins my phone told me to do it! sniffles waves to JoiIto plasticbag don't just SAY meatspace show us meatspace! sexygirl153 http://www.rubyonrael.com/meatspac​e/ Suw i thought that was you! sexygirl153 friendster -> dumpster KevinMarks http://www.rubyonrael.com/ holgate_ joined the chat room. holgate_ ~nick@216.240.152.74 holgate_ KevinMarks is funnier joho joined the chat room. joho ~dweinberg@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com joho sexygirl153 indeed NelsonMinar joined the chat room. NelsonMinar ~nelson@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com NelsonMinar pixelcort left the chat room. pixelcort ~pixelcort@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com pixelcort plasticbag Ruby's like a foot away from me I'm nervous Ewan_ All this is very nice, but it reminds me too much of an episode of Tomorrows World plasticbag He's looking at me now HOW DOES HE KNOW HE"S NOT EVEN ONLINE he has a chip in his head cybaea Mobjects: http://www.mobjects.net/ Suw wseltzer: it's hard to hear what people are saying though. ha ha ha Ewan_ sends Tom a d6+4 of confidence Suw he's psychic sexygirl153 pycoctic Suw coptic alice joined the chat room. alice ~alice@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com alice sexygirl153 *psychotic Ewan_ Nokia 6630 first programmable platfrom phone? Ehrm Disagree strongly spaceboy psycoptic sexygirl153 psycrow Ewan_ Still needs a SIM card to switch on spaceboy psycrowbar AndyBaio joined the chat room. AndyBaio ~spam@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com AndyBaio jibot AndyBaio is Andy Baio, web programmer living/working in Santa Monica, CA and can be found at http://waxy.org or working on his new project, http://upcoming.org Ewan_ Psy-Crow, wasn't he in 2000AD? sexygirl153 psycrowbarstool nope, earthworm jim jseng my god! the network is slow!! Ewan_ Nokia 9210 needed no SIM card and much more carrier free spaceboy psycrowbarstoolpidgeon sexygirl153 psycrowbarstoolpidgeonstreet JimH_Taco The 6630 is at least the 12th symbian phone released plasticbag Shame he wasn't around yesterday to see the phonetags stuff we used a lot of those affordances with phones and SMS JoiIto is in Milan on the way to Amsterdam and wishes he were at ETech spaceboy psycrowbarstoolpidgeonstreetlight Topic changed to "running in circles, chasing the long tail" by NelsonMinar. NelsonMinar NelsonMinar running in circles, chasing the long tail sexygirl153 http://www.pigeonstreet.com/ FrankK Hey Joi! JoiIto hey Frank! Suw JoiIto: you and me both sexygirl153 nice topic Ewan_ 12th Series 60 maybe, there's anotehr 40+ symbian devices out there FrankK Ewan, where's the etech podcast? :) cybaea Heartbeat: http://stage.itp.nyu.edu/~os284/c​gi-bin/heartbeat/login.pl Ewan_ It's being recorded. Not sure when I'll post it mattb joined the chat room. mattb ~mattb@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com mattb jbond Note VOIP at the end. Skype plus Wifi PDA plus free use of Broadreach Wifi in the UK = free mobile phone calls FrankK don't post too far away from the event - live is what it's about... Ewan_ When I do, it'll be at http://www.thepodcastnetwork.com/​mobiles JoiIto OK. boarding. see ya JoiIto left the chat room. JoiIto ~joi@JoiIto.silver.supporter.pdpc "Leaving" JoiIto FrankK and think of the down under delay ;)) Ewan_ I know Frank ;-) FrankK Ewan: I need to update your chatzilla pic with that flickr one Ewan_ :-) JSchwa joined the chat room. JSchwa ~jschwa@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com JSchwa Earthman joined the chat room. Earthman ~Earthman@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Earthman Ewan_ Anyone in the room clsoe to Russell Beattie? FrankK I thought you were ;) sexygirl153 emotionally? hober he's 7 people away from me AndyBaio Throw something at him FrankK 7 degrees Suw kicking distance? sexygirl153 kevin bacon hober no, not kicking distance Ewan_ hober: Give him a nudge that the kilted one is by the mixing dsesk looking for him? KB game is 6 plasticbag which kilted one? FrankK LOL plasticbag hammersley or crow Ewan_ Kilt not UtiliSKirt FrankK there's more than one? Ewan_ ]Ewan == Kilt. Hammersley is a Utiliskirt KevinMarks there can be only one! hober he's not quite in kick/nudge range plasticbag ahhhhh Suw men in skirts!!!!!!! FrankK KevinMarks can speak??? Suw damn AndyBaio Crumple up a note and pass it down the aisle. "Russell, do you like me? Check __ YES or __ NO" Suw i so wish i was there adamhill see what you are missing Suw wch2 joined the chat room. wch2 ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com wch2 Suw i know!! sobs TrevorFSmith AndyBaio: snort hober heh Ewan_ huggles Suw Suw tq ewan Ewan_ np jbond network speed -- SDEtech99 joined the chat room. SDEtech99 ~declan@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com SDEtech99 jseng ow..it takes forever to upload! Ewan_ So this guys invented teh Weasley Clock from Harry Potter? Earthman Kind of an oxymoron right now nebby joined the chat room. nebby ~neb@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com nebby cybaea Is it me, or is the white stone black? Suw hang on, are they talking about co-presence via warm balls in your pocket? plasticbag You know what Josh_D It's you. See the lovely clothes the emporer wears! mamamusings joined the chat room. mamamusings ~mamamusin@67-139-85-111.dsl1-pixley.roc.ny.frontiernet.net mamamusings jibot mamamusings is adult supervision plasticbag I have a theory that all ubicomp is being developed by hormonal people in their early twenties cheesebikini MSG jibot ?learn cheesebikini is Sean Savage and a Berkeley grad student who named flash mobs flash mobs and is busy neglecting cheesebikini.com - and working on placesite.com Suw mamamusings! plasticbag and really cheesy people too adamhill hey mama-notaboy! mamamusings suw! plasticbag like people who are in love mamamusings adamhill: ha! KevinMarks hi liz mamamusings hi, kevin holgate_ in love with their computers? Suw you at etech mamamusings? plasticbag I wonder what ubicomp would be like if it was designed by hassled mothers mamamusings nope. just home from sxsw marksimpkins PING WARFARE Ewan_ Seen this "protest button." PK Dick's "The Nowhere Man" mamamusings you didn't see my rant? :) plasticbag warm stones in your pockets that convey love!? I THINK NOT Suw plasticbag: vidchat was invented for those in a state of limerance holgate_ ubi-dummy-comp. migurski maybe if they were hooked up to your head, so your ears would be burning Earthman Is that a hot rock in your pocket...? Suw mamamusings: awww. i didn't - am behind on blog reading lobo_ Kewl cybaea LOL KevinMarks whihc rant, liz? zzgavin joined the chat room. zzgavin ~gavin@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com zzgavin holgate_ plushies! wseltzer combine the protest button with (against) the hot rocks mamamusings well, it wasn't a rant, reall. SDEtech99 adorable. TrevorFSmith like wearables: people who dress like crap telling us what we'll wear in the future mamamusings my post about why i went to sxsw instead of etech (on m2m) Suw mp3 plushies! migurski ha jbond I want my silver spandex one piece suit, now. mamamusings and my comments on david w's post on why he went to etech jbond bring back retro-futurism. Now. cheesebikini already too many human needies alby joined the chat room. alby ~adrouart@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com alby jseng suw: view from this side: http://james.seng.sg/archives/200​5/03/17/virtual_suw.html lobo_ hehe cheesebikini beautiful alby left the chat room. alby ~adrouart@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Client Quit alby jbond furniture on IRC++ Ewan_ we need a life size cardboard cutout of Suw DaveMc500hats joined the chat room. DaveMc500hats ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com DaveMc500hats mobalby joined the chat room. mobalby ~adrouart@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com mobalby jbond jibot extension to heckle drunk joito members tengi ?learn tengi is Chris Tengi and a SysAdmin in the Princeton University CS Department jibot tengi is Chris Tengi and a SysAdmin in the Princeton University CS Department cybaea Ewan_: Scary thought :-) plasticbag http://www.needies.com/ Ewan_ Look nobody needs to physically be here. Etech 2006 should be 100% viurtual That would be emerging :-) Suw jseng: cool!! thanks! holgate left the chat room. holgate ~nick@66.117.43.150 Connection timed out holgate NelsonMinar I'm in the overflow room and it's nicer than the main room but I could be in Amsterdam lobo_ placticbag: thx for the url Suw cybaea: scary?? jbond we should meet in small groups virtually connected tengi Ewan: who would carry around the laptops? Ewan_ We could get Roomba's jbond It'll be like the back room at NotCon 1.0 Ewan_ One Roolmba for every ten people in a geographical cluster NelsonMinar I'm very excited about robots! jrnoded but a virtual wine tasting might not work cybaea Suw: Life-sized cutout of you... :-) SDEtech99 we have a roomba it really works Ewan_ And the Roombas could have the cutoputs on the top Suw NelsonMinar: n ot *too* excited i hope MattJones joined the chat room. MattJones ~MattJones@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com MattJones Suw cybaea: i suppose i'll give you the benefit of the doubt based onthe fact that a life-sized cutout of anyone is slightly spooky :-| holgate_ I'm waiting for the first Roomba to go postal when its integrated circuit remembers it's military tech. mikel_maron hi migurski holgate_ Dr Roomba and Mr Killerbot. migurski hey :) KevinMarks we had a nearly-life-szie suw head on the laptop cybaea Suw: can't compete with the real thing. Suw althought highly pixelated *blushes* danyel wow. a roomba with ptsd, lunging manically after the dust bunnies? wseltzer a rather pixillated Suw-head Ewan_ memo - use make a shorter link if a url is on screen fort only two seconds migurski mikel: you here virtually, or bodily? todbot joined the chat room. todbot ~tod@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com todbot jibot todbot is not a bot and Tod E. Kurt, living at http://todbot.com/ and Pasadena CA. He works at Overture (nee Goto.com, now Yahoo) but is really an robotics geek lobo_ cue cheezy muzac cheesebikini why not a roomba that pees on you when someone is sad TrevorFSmith Next ETech, I'm bringing a sofa. nebby where are the iRobot people to give us the super-scary presentation this year anyway? mikel_maron virtually. i am eating dinner in england jbond Roomba zapping dust bunnies with its military grade laser Suw jbond: that they got of ptorrone SDEtech99 what's for lunch? KevinMarks pixillated? You been drinking, Suw? Suw ooh that's a thought Earthman nebby:That *was* super-scary genmon that irobot presentation was so scary because it started so gently so imagine these presentations flipping to evil half way through ITP making networked objects to mug people on the nyc subway holgate_ PacMan suit person uses phone messages to rob Manhattanites. DaveMc500hats no 4th graders! hear that Marc Canter? NelsonMinar principal sells 4th grader art and keeps the money ruby on rael! plasticbag looks nervous sexygirl153 left the chat room. sexygirl153 ~cal@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Connection reset by peer sexygirl153 plasticbag he's. right. there. sexygirl153 joined the chat room. sexygirl153 ~cal@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com sexygirl153 plasticbag he's. looking. into. my. mind. genmon can we get a real life ruby on rail photo later? DaveMc500hats rendezvous with rael? TrevorFSmith Half way through this session, they'll describe how they then put the kids to work making commercial p0rn sites. sexygirl153 i fucking hope so nebby imagines plastic engaged in psionic battle DaveMc500hats YOWza mamamusings wants to rendezvous with ruby on rael that might make etech feel more like sxsw :) migurski "we had a great time in math last night" Suw plasticbag: be thankful he's not looking into your brain. DaveMc500hats sx-tech Suw cos that involves the top of your head being missing KevinMarks what were those MJ revenge photos? wch2 left the chat room. wch2 ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com wch2 mamamusings MJ was running around kissing everybody, leaving those great lipstick marks on their cheeks. marksimpkins GREEN!!! todbot what's up with the colorspace on the projectors? mamamusings after a few hours, her friends turned the tables on her. TrevorFSmith Did we just see a kid explaining a wiki? sexygirl153 no red DaveMc500hats quick & easy... who's been teaching those kids? lobo_ don't make me angry, you won't like me when I'm angry... Ewan_ sx-tech? sex-tech might be better mamamusings who's speaking? jbond somebody stole the red nebby someone stole the red from etech this year heh wseltzer good sync with the monitors, too hober clearly, those kids haven't been in a protracted POV edit war on wikipedia plasticbag her name is Tuesday Ewan_ Trevor, yes sexygirl153 there's been no red all week DaveMc500hats x-tech plasticbag I'm just saying genmon Tuesday plasticbag Parents are responsible for a lot jbond t's a red free zone plasticbag Tuesday todbot better dead that red s/that/than NelsonMinar I love how natural this kid's narrative of the technology is it all makes sense to her cybaea Kids at ETech? What will be the next.... danyel This is very weird. This WIKI really is being used as a hack around not having a file system. Which is fine, but it doesn't seem to be anything particualrly wiki about it. Are they collaboratively editing each other, fore xample? migurski apple must love these kids, you can pracically hear the "TM's" in their speech plasticbag what version of firefox was that? it was green sniffles waves off for a while, ciao folks sniffles left the chat room. sniffles ~steph@132.216.3.12 sniffles plasticbag oh - everything's green I see jbond attack of the green children DaveMc500hats "get outta my face with that camera, so i can get back to my porn" KevinMarks Firefox - envy edition NelsonMinar won't someone please think of the children? It's not easy being green. JSchwa http://www.boingboing.net/2005/03/​03/microsoft_demos_weas.html holgate_ how many bloody eMacs were in that one classroom? cybaea NelsonMinar: You know that for a fact? plasticbag I know! Wasn't that great! sexygirl153 too many DaveMc500hats Muppet Love todbot not bloody, no red, remember. ;) lobo_ DaveMc500hats: he he genmon danyel: not just a hack around the filesystem i think. there's something about the portability of the work, the fact there's a single copy that can be carried around. interesting holgate_ There aren't as many eMacs in Belgium. Josh_D left the chat room. Josh_D ~joshd@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "Leaving" Josh_D DaveMc500hats anyone seen "Meet the Feebles"? high art holgate_ 'if the teacher goes to sleep' todbot yes, muppetcore spaceboy muppetspace sexygirl153 wheatspace richardhod joined the chat room. richardhod ~irc@vpn-052-104.usc.edu richardhod knauer_ If you like the Feebles, you'll love the Wombles DaveMc500hats pretty amazing that the same guy does Meet the Feebles and then gets $300M to do LOTR. holgate_ fine-grained information. KevinMarks emacs on an eMac? genmon let a thousand flours bloom Earthman That'll get you fired from Apple fer sher holgate_ vi on an IV. TrevorFSmith "And after a while, they decided that their wiki wasn't expensive enough, so they bought a CMS support contract from IBM and now they're 30% feature specification." spaceboy i'm wheatspace intolerant todbot Meet the Hobbits NelsonMinar pine on a tree joho came on an emac plasticbag *** BUY O"REILLY BOOKS *** richardhod lol sexygirl153 are there actually any good oreilly web services books/. ? Earthman joho: Yay! KevinMarks actually emacs ships on the emac plasticbag Cal, you own every o'reily book every made holgate_ jed on a buggy in Beverly Hills. plasticbag stop trying to look cool NelsonMinar don't know of one, sexygirl. there's an Apache Axis book that's supposed to come out someday. sexygirl153 :) genmon i heard that if the IMF are going to loan you money, you have to use Zope plazes joined the chat room. plazes ~Stefan@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com plazes sexygirl153 atrom book soon, but that's barely WS plasticbag wikis are purple jbond funded by astronauts sexygirl153 *atom plasticbag gil sans? sexygirl153 'atrom' would be cool holgate_ let me *atom. NelsonMinar pr0nwiki is blue sexygirl153 wikis are sooooooooo dull sky__ joined the chat room. sky__ ~sky@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com sky__ jbond and their UI sux. nebby sighs migurski little bitta ruby jbond Why do we need another html? that's different on every wiki platform? joho stare at the screen for 60 seconds, then look at a white piece of paper...cool after image! cybaea More green men NelsonMinar I'm a little bit ruby. And a little bit rock and roll. holgate_ it's the Hulk family, DaveMc500hats now that's green KevinMarks because wikis were wriitten by perl hackers so there has to be multiple wasy to do it holgate_ write-only websites? DaveMc500hats you wouldn't like my wiki when i'm angry sexygirl153 the best thing about ruby is chunky bacon joho "I don't care if you're black, white, or purple!" Green, though, worries me a little. jbond ok. bored now. sexygirl153 very bored nebby egads joho how do you create a relationship between anna and something interesting? lobo_ jbond: seconded sexygirl153 why is this a both-rooms talk? Suw does a wee dance on the desktop to keep you all amused cybaea "PUT will create an instance on a new student." And I thought you needed storks.... holgate_ joho: ask spaceboy. NelsonMinar Semantic Web! mamamusings ah, if davidw is posting to the backchannel whoever's talking is doomed. :) jbond Just write this xml in notepad and do a simple post to create a new account jrnoded please dont wee on the desk spaceboy we could use sexygirl NelsonMinar RDF! joho oh, please, mama! JimH_Taco left the chat room. JimH_Taco ~JimH@212.183.128.185 "Bong!" JimH_Taco mamamusings :P KevinMarks RDF in the year 3000 sexygirl153 http put/delete is so annoying just post holgate_ Really Dull Format jbond woot v1.0 mamamusings that means they've lost your attention. which is a Bad Thing joho and is it a coincidence that yesterday the backchannel was all serious and everything, and then mam arrived nebby i think i hear the schoolbell ringing joho mam=mama nebby its timne for recess spaceboy radical dance faction as any fule no mamamusings attempts to look innocent Suw mamamusings: what do you think of BlogHerCon? jbond starting etherpeg jrnoded why is everything a complete re-write? Earthman Suw: HisTerical! joho I hear that at sxsw, all the colors are represented mamamusings suw, conflicted. Suw hee hee sexygirl153 i want etherpeg for windows :( jbond joho: what yellow as well? Suw mamamusings: you think is it, or your feelings about it are? KevinMarks it's open source, get porting jbond sexygirl. I've got it holgate_ run it off cygwin? mamamusings on the one hand, i love the idea of getting women in tech together. but i don't want to brand it as just blogging. and i also want to integrate more, not segregate more. :/ Suw why do i feel i should start clapping at the end of each session? no one but Kevin can hear me if i do migurski suro-wiki! mamamusings is there a video feed? sexygirl153 there's a windows port? jbond sexyfirl: do a search for etherwatch Suw mamamusings: yes, i would agree with that assessement and kevin has me on vidchat :) KevinMarks next time I need a little external speaker Suw so i have my own personal feed ;-) DaveMc500hats did he change his name just for geek attention? mamamusings nic Suw ha ha ha sexygirl153 oooh, hanks KevinMarks you coudl let liz have a turn, suw holgate_ yahoo buzz thing is a bit bollocks. mamamusings s/nic/nice sexygirl153 *thanks mamamusings nah, that's okay. todbot words? are those like tags? DaveMc500hats "the blogger formerly known as sur-wiki" seanbonner joined the chat room. seanbonner ~seanbonne@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com seanbonner mamamusings i have kids going nuts in the background. Suw kevin: sure, if she wants to i'm happyp to :) joho Sir Wiki Suw aah todbot hahha Suw Big Sur Wiki? ChrisDodo joined the chat room. ChrisDodo ~ChrisDodo@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com ChrisDodo jibot ChrisDodo is also known as anti-mega and sometimes even Chris Heathcote and in Helsinki, Finland and is in San Diego already _adam_gfx I like big Bloggers and I cannot lie..... todbot left the chat room. todbot ~tod@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "Snak 4.13 IRC For Mac - http://www.snak.com" todbot DaveMc500hats Sir Wikkity Wikkity Wack don't come back zzgavin left the chat room. zzgavin ~gavin@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com zzgavin mamamusings seanbonner...am liking your conference blogging. KevinMarks suw has some nuts too Suw hee hee seanbonner mamamusings: Thanks! Suw pistachios. yum. DaveMc500hats he said Ontology. heh heh TrevorFSmith left the chat room. TrevorFSmith ~Snak@TrevorFSmith.student.supporter.pdpc TrevorFSmith MattJones NelsonMinar ++ on the kid describing wikis mobalby left the chat room. mobalby ~adrouart@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com mobalby DaveMc500hats http://www.randomhouse.com/feature​s/wisdomofcrowds/ ccoryell joined the chat room. ccoryell ~ccoryell@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com ccoryell SDEtech99 left the chat room. SDEtech99 ~declan@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) SDEtech99 joho his NYer column-ing is awesome. cybaea Ewan should do a "Wisdom of Crows" version. What's that URL again E? holgate_ The Wisdom of Cows. AndyBaio The book is good. Highly recommended. _sj_ MattJones: which kid? genmon left the chat room. genmon ~genmon@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com genmon migurski he's one of the four consistently great NYer writers - Gladwell, Lane, Gopnik DaveMc500hats GoogleFight: Blink vs 'Wisdom of Crowds' -- http://www.googlefight.com/index.​php?lang=en_GB&word1=blink&word2=%​22wisdom+of+crowds%22 holgate_ Gourevitch is good too. ChrisDodo how is the talk? holgate_ nice ref to bookies. MattJones _sj_ : the one that was describing the wiki in the school... nelson said: "NelsonMinar: I love how natural this kid's narrative of the technology is NelsonMinar: it all makes sense to her" holgate_ You have to live in a state/country that allows betting to really appreciate how bookies know their stuff. Watching the collective stuff going on at an on-track betting area is amazing. Earthman http://www.googlefight.com/index.p​hp?lang=en_GB&word1=gladwell+blink​&word2=%22wisdom+of+crowds%22 (a little closer) joho Is it just me, or is he looking a little green? NelsonMinar matt - I've tried to explain wikis to adults, it's hard. this kid just got it. jemstone guess the weight of an ox : statistician: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran​cis_Galton DaveMc500hats yeah, not quite a fair fight 1 keyword vs 3 migurski "anything invented after you were born is technology" DaveMc500hats (yours is better) KevinMarks "technology is stuff that doesn't work yet" zzgavin joined the chat room. zzgavin ~gavin@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com zzgavin Earthman Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable to a venture capitalist seanbonner I was born in 75 and conside a bunchacrap from before that technology migurski hah cheesebikini labs.google.com/googlex DaveMc500hats any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic -- dollar for name that quoter AndyBaio Kevin: ha holgate_ technology is something that you had to fix for your parents when growing up. NelsonMinar arthur c clarke DaveMc500hats earthman damn you, beat me to it AndyBaio Whoops, I take that back. ccoryell brian eno "technology is that which doesn't work guite right yet" AndyBaio Earthman: ha Earthman bows DaveMc500hats nelson what's your paypal addr? ;) KevinMarks http://www.douglasadams.com/dna/19​990901-00-a.html NelsonMinar nelson@paypalsucks.com :-) looks sheepish seanbonner Arthus C Clarke cybaea Running robots: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/techno​logy/4351639.stm seanbonner Arthur zzgavin left the chat room. zzgavin ~gavin@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Client Quit zzgavin DaveMc500hats heh... i don't care since i left baby. dish all u want :) seanbonner it's been mentioned a lot this weekend migurski weren't ants the big topic two years ago? KevinMarks "I suppose earlier generations had to sit through all this huffing and puffing with the invention of television, the phone, cinema, radio, the car, the bicycle, printing, the wheel and so on, but you would think we would learn the way these things work, which is this: 1) everything thatπs already in the world when youπre born is just normal; incompatible encoding 2) anything that gets invented between then and before you turn thirty is incredibly exciting and creative and with any luck you can make a career out of it; 3) anything that gets invented after youπre thirty is against the natural order of things and the beginning of the end of civilisation as we know it until itπs been around for about ten years when it gradually turns out to be alright really. incompatible encoding Apply this list to movies, rock music, word processors and mobile phones to work out how old you are." wseltzer KevinMarks++ KevinMarks douglasadams++ cybaea with videos :-) KevinMarks that essay is total brilliance DaveMc500hats http://movies.yahoo.com/movies/fea​ture/thehitchhikersguidetothegalax​y.html Earthman Is that how they always find my garbage pail? DaveMc500hats *SOME* human beings are not ants plasticbag hang on a nminute. I thought we WERE ants cybaea Thank God! We are not insects KevinMarks "What should concern us is not that we canπt take what we read on the internet on trust ≠ of course you canπt, itπs just people talking ≠ but that we ever got into the dangerous habit of believing what we read in the newspapers or saw on the TV ≠ a mistake that no one who has met an actual journalist would ever make. One of the most important things you learn from the internet is that there is no åthemπ out there. Itπs just an awf incompatible encoding ul lot of åusπ." incompatible encoding plasticbag jeez. life is confusing. noidfish left the chat room. noidfish ~paul@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com noidfish DaveMc500hats where's the sugar? Earthman is an uncle Ewan_ Ahhh... DairyMilk ch0colateI nebby follow the tags wseltzer sometimes we can find coffee that way cheesebikini how avuncular joho i'm emitting pheromones right now. lobo joined the chat room. lobo ~a@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com lobo DaveMc500hats example: Paris Hilton tengi what does that last comment say about irc? cybaea Shhhh. You are lowering the intellignece of the room. Ewan_ antstag with acid , we use FIickr jbond Kevin, that may be true but it's ***ing ageist nebby RDF pheremones? cybaea tengi: We type, don't talk Suw chocolate?! DaveMc500hats how do u spell that? Suw i need more chocolate tengi aha! KevinMarks read the whole thing, jbond http://www.douglasadams.com/dna/19​990901-00-a.html jbond ok. DaveMc500hats nice Ewan (ant tagging vs people tagging) joho I'm avuncling right now. marksimpkins ant music, ahhhh migurski antcore jbond I used to have this theory that you could work out people's age by looking at their ecord collection. Because everyone stops buying music at 22 marksimpkins all i have now is adam and the bloody ants in my head Earthman They must have a better build system mamamusings wouldn't mind a chocolate martini right now sexygirl153 hahahaha jbond But it's bollox DaveMc500hats baaa nebby <friend> or <foe> sexygirl153 time for a nap KevinMarks well, I stopped buying records than Suw oooh that's a point. i have vodka in the freezer holgate_ "I can calculate the motions of the heavenly bodies, but not the madness of people." Ewan_ Just wait for Diana Dores tocome in from the back jbond Why should I stop being a neophile at 40. cheesebikini only if they were 22 when napster hit mamamusings suw, i'll be in oxford in july. rubys joined the chat room. rubys ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com rubys jibot rubys is Sam Ruby and in Raleigh, NC and can be found at http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/ and hosts the Atom wiki at http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/​pie/FrontPage jrnoded microsoft had chocolate martinis last night mamamusings ! Suw mamamusings: ooh cool!! let me know when exactly and i'll come up and visit ooh not fair. chocolate_martinis++ DaveMc500hats b4 his book, Influence: the Psychology of Persuasion... fascinating book http://www.amazon.com/exec/obido​s/ASIN/0688128165/sixapart-20 KevinMarks Jane Jacobs said this in Death and Life of American cities 40 years ago plasticbag looks shifty hey sam! mamamusings btw, if any of you there on site run into my old friend Shawn Collins, who's at his first etech, be nice to him. DaveMc500hats Influences > Blink > Crowds Suw nudges plasticbag and smirks rubys Hey tom! SDEtech99 joined the chat room. SDEtech99 ~declan@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com SDEtech99 holgate_ first person to act in a heads-up game wins the pot. jrnoded potty break cheesebikini this is a rehash of the book... jrnoded left the chat room. jrnoded ~jr@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jrnoded joho I'm looking up right now and no one is imitating me. Am i doing it wrong? migurski that's why this stuff works best in NYer format. Earthman Is this like the afternoon sessions? DaveMc500hats can't believe i'm saying this, but I NEED MORE POWERPOINT SLIDES marksimpkins this is such an insight NelsonMinar add some animations cybaea DaveMc500hats: Nah, you want MacKay - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obido​s/tg/detail/-/051788433X joho green powerpoints++ plasticbag I"M SORRY SAM NelsonMinar do some transitions. people love transitions in powerpoint plasticbag I COULDN"T HELP IT holgate_ powerpoint swings and roundabouts++ plasticbag CAL MADE ME DO IT NelsonMinar star wipe rubys LOL plasticbag ACTUALLY CAL DID IT YES! YES! IT WAS ALL HIM jbond It's real hard to blog and IRC without ppts to keep you on track joho plasticbag, your caps light is on marksimpkins puppets? holgate_ Charles Kindleberger too: 'Manias, Panics and Crashes' cybaea Why is TOm shouting? DaveMc500hats cybaea: thx 4 link cheesebikini puptents? plasticbag no - I was being hysterical Suw joho: i think he's having a temporary meltdown joho Ooh, wisdom of crowds meets tipping point! We're talking bestseller squared! eleanor joined the chat room. eleanor ~eleanor@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com eleanor nebby he's capitulating holgate_ www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/04​71161713/ Suw gives tom a hug and feeds him chocolate martini marksimpkins wisdom of crocodiles gustaf joined the chat room. gustaf ~user@99.227.181.62.in-addr.dgcsystems.net gustaf jibot gustaf is http://stureby.net/gustaf KevinMarks only if they are sparsely networked migurski wisdom of tippsy crowds Suw intravenously mamamusings hey! no martini for me?!? joho the wisdom of the cowed? nebby crowd tipping KevinMarks he hasn't read Watts right Suw and one for mama too of course mamamusings clearly i should be using caps lock too :( gustaf feck, that url is oooold jbond cold in here holgate_ oh, god, ubiquity is no guarantee of quality, yeahyeah. marksimpkins oh, does he have a book out then ? gustaf gestures rudely at jibot cybaea Cocktails tonight Suw mamamusings: hysteria is always good for getting symmpathy joho first pascal quote: 12:10pm on second day. Noted. NelsonMinar did they put a traffic shaper on our network? I'm getting 5k/sec KevinMarks http://www.santafe.edu/sfi/publica​tions/Working-Papers/00-12-062.pdf​ oh, that might be suw's fault Suw looks innocent cybaea Sit still Suw - less bandwidht that way DaveMc500hats he said homogeneity lyza cocktails? DaveMc500hats he Suw i'm doing a public service by being here virtually You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. marksimpkins wikitorial [1]Ewan_ joined the chat room. [1]Ewan_ ~Ewan_@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com [1]Ewan_ lyza Keep them coming! migurski wikitainment lyza makes a list NelsonMinar left the chat room. NelsonMinar ~nelson@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com NelsonMinar joho wikigosphere DaveMc500hats Blogosphere beats the crap out of Folksonomy (1.7M > 150k) marksimpkins wiki wiki whizz bang ping migurski give folksonomy time marksimpkins my mind is going... seanbonner blogoschmere NelsonMinar joined the chat room. NelsonMinar ~nelson@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com NelsonMinar joho ranking one's sex partners: fucksonomy? lyza i-anything KevinMarks "this coudl apply to the blogoshpere but this margin is too small to contain it" cybaea Spying on your family - is that a Good Think? (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/​1931836418/) lyza (sorry iFab guys!) joho are we done? please are we done? please lunch? please? KevinMarks suspects a pitch for a new book cybaea Think-Thing lyza Lunch?! mattb one more session Suw yes! lunch! jbond extreme mobile computing lyza It's too bad it's so crappy outside. Suw take me with you!! marksimpkins FEED ME!!!!! BigD i've seen this guy on Deadwood joho noooo! not "the last thing standing between you and lunch...." tengi del.icio.us lunch? hober left the chat room. hober ~ted@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "nil" hober seanbonner lunch sounds rather good lyza I might be tempted to eat out there... danyel A del.icio.us lunch? spaceboy tags for lunch? NelsonMinar half the overflow room is clearing out DaveMc500hats he said Deli.cio.us [1]Ewan_ hes not from nokia - he has more than onre tone of voice Suw was that a delicious lunch, or a del.icio.us lunch? You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. jibot cheesebikini is Sean Savage and a Berkeley grad student who named flash mobs flash mobs and is busy neglecting his site cheesebikini.com. NelsonMinar a surprising amount of software and services are not allowed to be used with airplanes Suw ok, i'm actually off this time. t'ra guys ChrisL_AK sorry, grandma, yahoo made me pull the plug Suw have a good rest of your day :) DaveMc500hats that's very reassuring cybaea Night Suw jrnoded gnight suw Suw night cybaea :) night jrnoded :) todbot small grandparents loosly coupled to life support DaveMc500hats now i don't have to fire all the Russian Nuclear weapons engineers in my startup jrnoded_ joined the chat room. jrnoded_ ~jr@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jrnoded_ Suw left the chat room. Suw ~Suw@suw.user Suw cybaea Why does he keep asking for comments? spaceboy cos we've gone to sleep sexygirl153 he doesn't have enough to say maybe jbond left the chat room. jbond ~Julian_Bo@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Connection timed out jbond hober joined the chat room. hober ~ted@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com hober lyza Okay: Session vs. Session: who is better and who sucks tihs time? cybaea sg could be in to something I can't hear the question ccoryell left the chat room. ccoryell ~ccoryell@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Connection timed out ccoryell Earthman SOAP-- marksimpkins nutch oh hazel nutch dviner nutch to replace google ? ChrisL_AK nutch me when its over KevinMarks Zawodny is interesting, but is describing the decisiosn around the service, so may be less interestin if you don't offer your own services nebby friedster is maybe not so captivating ccoryell joined the chat room. ccoryell ~ccoryell@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com ccoryell ChrisL_AK I'm sure the two presenters here COULD be less enthusiastic. Theoretically eleanor joined the chat room. eleanor ~eleanor@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com eleanor DaveMc500hats Zawodny: SOAP vs REST migurski session v session: jason is being _super preachy_, not necessarily bad, depending on your background marksimpkins nutch CC search engine cybaea B: “If you ever made a decision you can’t change, then you probably made a wrong decision.” ryanco who's talking about nutch? DaveMc500hats they went REST (for now) to lower support hassle Nelson -- rebuttal? ChrisL_AK the Creative Commons session won't stop talking about nutch MattJones the whig version of emerging tech history NelsonMinar I already had my say, Dave :-) sexygirl153 i missed the part where we couldn;t chnage the system :/ TrevorFSmith ChrisL_AK: it could be a little more... lively. dviner nutch being discussed in ballroom c marksimpkins just a tad DaveMc500hats Stewart sez offer multiple access methods... so who's right? ChrisL_AK talk about needing life support... ryanco yahoo has funded some work on that no? DaveMc500hats Jeremy sez Yahoo might do SOAP later, but not right now TrevorFSmith So, CC is now attempting to build a google size index? marksimpkins nope, they want Google/Yahoo to index the CC content TrevorFSmith marksimpkins: then why are they using Nutch? marksimpkins but until then.... mattb "it's ok to do good things if they are good" sexygirl153 apparently there's no silver bullet mattb sound advice here in B sexygirl153 that's just so retarded though ChrisL_AK to whet the appetite until the big boys and girls step in seanbonner left the chat room. seanbonner ~seanbonne@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Connection timed out seanbonner sexygirl153 his advice makes no sense SebPaquet left the chat room. SebPaquet ~chatzilla@mctn1-7743.nb.aliant.net Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) SebPaquet noidfish handbags at dawn sexygirl153 sexygirl153 try anything, onlt try good things, etc etc migurski heh spaceboy fightfightfight MattJones UI FIRST marksimpkins actually i don't know what they want to do. sexygirl153 i'll take im NelsonMinar ooh, yahoo battle has an *extreme* logo ;-) TrevorFSmith ChrisL_AK: that slide says that they want web scale search. jbond joined the chat room. jbond ~Julian_Bo@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jbond Jonathan_Boutell joined the chat room. Jonathan_Boutell ~jon@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Jonathan_Boutell spaceboy my moneys on girl marksimpkins do they want to make their own search engine, but then why put in a slide asking Ayhoo/Google etc. to index the CC content plasticbag new game: http://www.plasticbag.org/files/m​isc/coughping.shtml dviner so, is this cc search just an attempt to get yahoo or google to do this? sexygirl153 gah - his slide is DUMB DaveMc500hats GoogleFight > YahooBattle ChrisL_AK I don't see how they can handle it at their size-- marksimpkins they can' can they KevinMarks I index their content Earthman Don't try it at home TrevorFSmith No. They can't. marksimpkins can't even nebby left the chat room. nebby ~neb@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) nebby migurski "it only needs to do what the screens do...... except the additional stuff in the background... *cough*" sexygirl153 it ONLY needs to do this. oh, and some other stuff exactly TrevorFSmith KevinMarks: you index their index? sexygirl153 he's talking crap spaceboy it's getting painful miker http://buzz.progphp.com/ nebby joined the chat room. nebby ~neb@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com nebby ChrisL_AK I think they mean to do the best they can and hope it becomes needed enough that someone else steps in spaceboy yeah, but no speach is final, it's a work in progress and you can change your mind alice is it coffee after this? richardhod joined the chat room. richardhod ~irc@vpn-052-058.usc.edu richardhod Jonathan_Boutell is anyone else disapointed with the basecamp talk so far? plasticbag it's not crap as such mattb riiight... so all systems can be designed in terms of their user interfaces? MattJones i can't tell whether doc searls is playing coughping, or dying of consumption plasticbag hahaha migurski etech is not the right audience for this nebby sighs sexygirl153 hahahahaha TrevorFSmith cheesebikini: I suppose that's reasonable. dviner what is rdf/a ?? NelsonMinar migurski - for what? sexygirl153 :( ChrisL_AK ahh... faking one's death might cut the session short? todbot coughping... hehe plasticbag I mean we've all been in situations where process has been over the top Earthman migurski: for which pres? alice uhoh plasticbag Where this stuff gets extreme TrevorFSmith (not cheesebikini, ChrisL_AK) alice crowd getting ugly migurski nelsonminar: basecamp MattJones i think there's a lot of sense in showing as good a proto as you can early as you can plasticbag it's worth having someone arguing for a different position spaceboy well, it wasn't pretty to start with Earthman ah mattb i'm totally for end-to-ends plasticbag and a lighter position is pretty cool, closer to how a group of clued people might build together noidfish so he's just explaining what worked for him, i don't think hes saying you have to do it this way jbond has anyone seen the bats yet? MattJones noidfish + marksimpkins bats??? plasticbag my main problem is that it all assumes that everyone who you work with is really really fucking good and that you all get on cybaea Bats? noidfish and it did work for them, so complaining that it's dumb is, well, dumb migurski except he's saying "do this, do that, don't this this" plasticbag and GOD KNOWS I WISH THAT WAS THE CASE dviner i don't understnad what the cc-search has to do with "semantic web" .. zzgavin and your team is small mattb that's the ideal way to build things richardhod well the rdf creative commons talk may be relevant but it's pretty dry too noidfish so yeah, it won't work for others alice heh tom MattJones i guess he hasn't made it cleear enough that this is a case study, not a methodology for evrything in the entire world up to and including nuclear reactors plasticbag but it's a hard set of first conditions to generate when you're working in a company already KevinMarks left the chat room. KevinMarks ~Snak@kevinmarks.sustaining.supporter.pdpc "Oops. This machine just fell asleep" KevinMarks plasticbag it's like the UCD stuff works great if you're not a clueless fuckwit won't stop you being a clueless fuckwit Jonathan_Boutell right but it's all terribly obvious right? This is exactly what I was expecting them to say, I'm not getting any insight from this plasticbag works better if you came up with it than if you tell someone about it migurski plasticbag: UCD? use case doc? plasticbag user-centred design migurski thx MattJones User Centred Design sexygirl153 self centered design > user centered design ;) plasticbag blind process of any kind is shit eleanor would be better if he specificlaly told a story, not just maxim s distilled from the bc experinece plasticbag this process or UCD or unctional specs migurski delicious == self-centered design MattJones http://www.usability.serco.com/tru​mp/resources/standards.htm plasticbag oh don't start with self-centred desgin where did you hear that? sexygirl153 he's still kinda sexy though ryanco the audience has taken control plasticbag Jason? noidfish but i think you have no hope at all if you work with clueless fuckwits plasticbag yeah totalyl! alice guffaw plasticbag stone fox! sexygirl153 i would richardhod self-using centres? knauer_ left the chat room. knauer_ ~josh@183.sub-70-219-203.myvzw.com knauer_ MattJones noidfish ++++++ you're fucked then noidfish sexygirl153 :D mattb i love my job Earthman You can go blind from self-centered design plasticbag noidfish you're not making me happy you're making me sad. sexygirl153 hahahahah MattJones what's sexygirl153 giggling at bd34r self-centered design: LOL cybaea Nine minues left....? wwiill joined the chat room. wwiill ~wwiill@pcp09145596pcs.nmexav01.dc.comcast.net wwiill bd34r which session has the audience taken control in? MattJones onanistic design sexygirl153 jason's basecamp one mattb talk has now gone off-road AndyBaio yep plasticbag nice slides sexygirl153 derailed ruby derailed AndyBaio Moral: Never take questions in the middle of a talk plasticbag although you know what? mattb deraeled noidfish oh, ok. i'm sorry tom migurski ouch bd34r didn't he do that session at Web2.0? did we need it again? noidfish returns to throwing peanuts sexygirl153 :D migurski this session happens every few weeks around the country sexygirl153 yeah plasticbag he who would change the letterspacing of lowercase would steal sheep eleanor ohno JIT? hober not everyone goes to all of the conferences you know alice slaps noidfish around a bit with a large trout seanbonner joined the chat room. seanbonner ~seanbonne@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com seanbonner plasticbag sure they do AndyBaio Side note: If you're a popular musician, never ask for requests before the last song. People will shout requests for the rest of your entire set seanbonner finally cybaea One hour afternoon break? Did they run out of presenters? miker Jeremy just dropped taht RSS for Yahoo results are available already. Look at a yahoo results page, there's a feed available for that result set (users of Firefox see that as the little orange icon) MattJones i think the kerning on the slides is immaculate ah seanbonner I've been trying get in for like 5 minutes nebby hes about to go over the Edge MattJones actually - the m and the o of most are a little off yeah - the kerning here is all over the place look at the c and a of scalability shocking sexygirl153 yeaH mattb scaling != server capacity richardhod bloody designers _joshua missing anything good? todbot billin-g sexygirl153 r touvching f noidfish and the choice of yellow plasticbag it is horrible isn' it cybaea There is a shadow on the yellow letters? sexygirl153 that's not the color choice plasticbag the r and the f's clash horrifically where are the fucking ligatures sexygirl153 there's no red in the projector MattJones sexygirl153 you know your kerning pairs, and that makes me hot - a/s/l? sexygirl153 hhahaha nebby scalability indeed! sexygirl153 16 / f / ca richardhod lol cybaea six minutes migurski 40/m/fbi plasticbag eep! sexygirl153 phwooorr! DaveMc500hats he said 'exposed'. heh. MattJones shudders alice numb bum. AndyBaio pi/bi/wi spaceboy me too sexygirl153 numb :( plasticbag admin interfaces... mmmmmm.... spaceboy comfortably so? admin interfaces make me hot seanbonner 50,000/?/your mom's house alice matthew somerville is somehow reading this channel without having a computer. I suspect brain implants. sexygirl153 who is spaceboy? jrnoded_ bad seating interfaces MattJones numbarses on seats on ruby on rael mattb after all, users inside the company aren't really users, are they? seanbonner jackets make me hot spaceboy i'm your destdiny baby migurski right. they are headcount. lobo__ joined the chat room. lobo__ ~a@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com lobo__ sexygirl153 mmmm marksimpkins COOFFFFEEEEEEEE alice density! marksimpkins left the chat room. marksimpkins ~marksimpk@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com marksimpkins tengi left the chat room. tengi ~tengi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com tengi zzgavin the invisible users yes Mattb spaceboy i'm your density baby! seanbonner hot coffee makes me hot! BigD left the chat room. BigD ~declan@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Connection timed out BigD holgate he's scraping your ganglia, spaceboy. ryanco http://www.asciiarmor.com/resource​s/buildingbasecamp.txt sexygirl153 the sun makes me hot! Earthman Density makes me.....dense jrnoded_ left the chat room. jrnoded_ ~jr@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jrnoded_ plasticbag so who wants to coughping with me? ryanco notes from jason's session spaceboy me alice so sexygirl is in fact a boy, and spaceboy is a girl this is like being in a mmog sexygirl153 IS THAT STEW? plasticbag not EVERYONE spaceboy yep. how future are we sexygirl153 oop,s capps lick joe_hughes Heh, "launch before you can bill people for your service" plasticbag one at a time jeez seanbonner fuck. i need power soon. alice caps lick. awesome. sexygirl153 :D jrnoded talk to the lawyers MattJones makes a dexterity roll to cure numb arse AndyBaio I have six minutes left sexygirl153 fails save against anger Earthman Dexterity rolls are so ass seanbonner need to get a good spot near power for the hardware hacks session migurski i'm sitting next to tons of power in B mattb in a perfect world, everything is perfect he's got the answer! plasticbag I like 37 signals lpqboy (ryanco - thanks for the notes.) spaceboy (can I borrow someone's laptop so I can see what horrible things you say about us during our talk? Matthew S) plasticbag they're like the adaptive path who make their own products migurski an embarassment of outlets sexygirl153 i like jason - he's hot plasticbag that's a good thing bd34r knowledge is good -- faber college MattJones likes 37signals too, but not ready to commit spaceboy i'm channelling matthew seanbonner spaceboy - only if you project it sexygirl153 37signals is like a low budget adaptive path plasticbag who makes the food?! sexygirl153 but sexier DaveMc500hats hog wild mindshare... woot spaceboy eeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwww MattJones lol sexygirl153 although, veen.... seanbonner ween? _joshua jones plasticbag veen's pretty foxy MattJones they can't afford ajax, and have to use deowipes plasticbag bit tall though migurski he's so... tall sexygirl153 hahahahaha MattJones _joshua ? migurski i can't wait til he gets to "Bloggle" genmon "would you like to play a game of chess?" sexygirl153 me too :D spaceboy nice image: publicity vomit plasticbag daisy, daisy MattJones i'd rather play bloggle cybaea Food is good. plasticbag give me your answer do I'm half crazy TrevorFSmith half? Earthman wonders if there are churros again today plasticbag oi MattJones whoooooo zzgavin tall is good MattJones yellow fade is lovely alice oh that's quite nice. holgate BODY BGCOL 1996 in the house. migurski it is alice tums up. migurski gawgeous sexygirl153 i've ripped that off for my new weblog jemstone thats bloomin hard to do in ppt holgate shouldn't it get yellower with age? plasticbag signal vs. noise rocks too I love that blog genmon left the chat room. genmon ~genmon@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com genmon plasticbag to be honest I really like 37 signals MattJones MY NEW YELLOW FADE TECNHIQUE IS UNSTOPPABLE seanbonner blogs suck plasticbag > gasp < alice rofl sexygirl153 hahaha todbot hahaahhaha migurski i'm a big fan of black fade technique spaceboy again with the vomitting alice stop making matthew snigger sexygirl153 i want to eat his techniques plasticbag but.. the emperor has no clothes?!?!?!?! NOOOOOOOOOO! screams! spaceboy and is covered in sick MattJones Black Fade Rebel Motorcycle Club sexygirl153 :) holgate someone else's sick. migurski black faderz TrevorFSmith blog is the new shark plasticbag hang on holgate jump the blog? seanbonner jumped the blog? plasticbag isn't that just tricking them? DaveMc500hats jumped the blog? sexygirl153 his advice is "keep doing features" o_O DaveMc500hats damn! seanbonner blog attack! alice major upgrade is the new patching MattJones grab the shark by it's long tail, repeat till yellow fade DaveMc500hats jumped the bonner? plasticbag make people feel like you're upgrading by holding back functioanlity seanbonner hey! sexygirl153 but also, "don't do many features" :) todbot lol plasticbag be totally transparent holgate bonner riah. plasticbag does anyone see a clash there? sexygirl153 more translucent seanbonner The Clash?! DaveMc500hats bonner with FRIKKIN LASER beams MattJones is he going to tell us whether he got to 2nd Base(camp)? nebby o dear NelsonMinar zawodny done NelsonMinar left the chat room. NelsonMinar ~nelson@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Remote closed the connection NelsonMinar sexygirl153 BLOGGLE! alice eyes matt seanbonner ok, this shit is done! TrevorFSmith WTF is a one hour break doing here? DaveMc500hats left the chat room. DaveMc500hats ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0/20041107]" DaveMc500hats jrnoded left the chat room. jrnoded ~jr@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jrnoded Earthman Coffee time plasticbag really!? a full hour! oh joy! Earthman left the chat room. Earthman ~Earthman@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "Snak 4.13 IRC For Mac - http://www.snak.com" Earthman spaceboy talk about stuff. radical holgate frabjous MattJones SCRUMJAX todbot this etech is much smaller than last year, yeah? cybaea Coffee paulm_ joined the chat room. paulm_ ~paulm@1009host62.starwoodbroadband.com paulm_ Jonathan_Boutell left the chat room. Jonathan_Boutell ~jon@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Jonathan_Boutell mattb groundhog slide sexygirl153 don't get stuck using ruby! mattb for the short of memory MattJones SCRUMMMJAXXXX cybaea todbot: On the contrary - bigger sexygirl153 SCRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRUMJAX! todbot hmm plasticbag scruuuuuuuumjaxxxxx cybaea left the chat room. cybaea ~allane@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "no reason" cybaea migurski yay language evangelism spaceboy and differently aligned holgate look at what happened to rael when he got stuck using ruby. mattb let's get rael! zzgavin 600 odd sexygirl153 hahahahahahahahahaha TrevorFSmith What's a scrumjax? sexygirl153 the future spaceboy illegal in most states MattJones SCRUMMMMMMJAAAAAXXX plasticbag it's a gay thing spaceboy like barebacking sexygirl153 mostly, yes holgate it's base and it's camp. todbot agile srummmjaaaxxx ryanco notes updated nebby ahaha spaceboy like me then mattb left the chat room. mattb ~mattb@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com mattb migurski left the chat room. migurski ~migurski@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "This machine just fell asleep" migurski todbot coffeetime michaelhilton left the chat room. michaelhilton ~michaelhi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com michaelhilton nebby left the chat room. nebby ~neb@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "This machine just fell asleep" nebby plasticbag left the chat room. plasticbag ~tom@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com plasticbag holgate coffee. joe_hughes left the chat room. joe_hughes ~hughes@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com joe_hughes todbot left the chat room. todbot ~tod@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "This machine just fell asleep" todbot rhayes left the chat room. rhayes ~rhayes@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com rhayes zzgavin left the chat room. zzgavin ~gavin@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com zzgavin You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. jibot cheesebikini is Sean Savage and a Berkeley grad student who named flash mobs flash mobs and is busy neglecting his site cheesebikini.com. jcgregorio joined the chat room. jcgregorio ~chatzilla@adsl-221-65-76.rmo.bellsouth.net jcgregorio bd34r left the chat room. bd34r ~bd34r@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Connection timed out bd34r paulm_ left the chat room. paulm_ ~paulm@1009host62.starwoodbroadband.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) paulm_ zzgavin joined the chat room. zzgavin ~gavin@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com zzgavin zzgavin left the chat room. zzgavin ~gavin@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com zzgavin KevinMarks joined the chat room. KevinMarks ~Snak@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com KevinMarks jibot KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & PST (UTC-8) & working at Technorati & wrote a python based irc client of DOOM wwiill left the chat room. wwiill ~wwiill@pcp09145596pcs.nmexav01.dc.comcast.net wwiill MattJones left the chat room. MattJones ~MattJones@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) MattJones eleanor left the chat room. eleanor ~eleanor@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) eleanor seanbonner joined the chat room. seanbonner ~seanbonne@66.117.43.150 seanbonner ryanco joined the chat room. ryanco ~ryancox@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com ryanco sexygirl153 left the chat room. sexygirl153 ~cal@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) sexygirl153 paulm joined the chat room. paulm ~paulm@1009host62.starwoodbroadband.com paulm wseltzer joined the chat room. wseltzer ~wseltzer@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com wseltzer jibot wseltzer is Wendy Seltzer and works for the EFF and blogs at http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/ ChrisL_AK joined the chat room. ChrisL_AK ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com ChrisL_AK ryanco left the chat room. ryanco ~ryancox@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com ryanco Crystaltips joined the chat room. 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ChrisL_AK ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) ChrisL_AK boardyb joined the chat room. boardyb ~boardy@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com boardyb todbot joined the chat room. todbot ~tod@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com todbot jibot todbot is not a bot and Tod E. Kurt, living at http://todbot.com/ and Pasadena CA. He works at Overture (nee Goto.com, now Yahoo) but is really an robotics geek You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. jibot cheesebikini is Sean Savage and a Berkeley grad student who named flash mobs flash mobs and is busy neglecting his site cheesebikini.com. tengi holgate: you called it.... jbond disclaimer: we don't need no steenking disclaimers lyza ?cool or not holgate that was better than 'professional driver on a closed course' Big1 flyback transformer jbond objects in mirror tengi there's a reason they call it a "flyback: transformer.... Big1 heh sexygirl153 :) You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. sexygirl153 that would be awesome _joshua what tengi charging..... CLEAR! todbot emerging zombies holgate yep. esp. good to save on ER medical bills. jseng left the chat room. jseng ~jseng@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Client Quit jseng spaceboy zomie hacking seanbonner yeah! Big Sparks! sexygirl153 he's great joho anyone else in theyworkforyou? knauer yep TrevorFSmith joho: yes lobo_ cool - winamp for bugs... Earthman is in TheyWorkForYou joho it's discouraging to be in a session and hear big laughs and applause next door seanbonner is in KillingBugsWithYourMonitor joho so try to keep it down, please. thx. knauer maybe we should just laugh and clap too? joho yeah! we'll show them! TrevorFSmith knauer: you first. NelsonMinar joined the chat room. NelsonMinar ~nelson@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com NelsonMinar seanbonner take that! joho claps wildly and randomly migurski poor lil bug sexygirl153 haha knauer you didn't double dare me tengi popcorn mouse joho hey you guys in theyworkforyou, put your pants back on! chrisweare joined the chat room. chrisweare ~chriswear@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com chrisweare joho here come the chippendale dancers! TrevorFSmith joho: I can't. The unicorn has them! joho :) spaceboy theystripforyou chrisweare is now known as freightoi. freightoi chrisweare chrisweare joho and i was just telling someone this morning that levitation was impossible. apparenetly i didn't count on the time travel effect. seanbonner TheyWorkForYounonomy TrevorFSmith I've never seen lard used with quite that result. jbond TheyUsedToWorkForYou eleanor joined the chat room. eleanor ~eleanor@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com eleanor joho TheyDontLaughAndClapForYou.com TrevorFSmith ouch nebby defibrilating chickens lyza ooooh immorality nebby and there ya have it jbond And after May 5. TheyWillWorkForYou sexygirl153 nad he's not even joking TrevorFSmith wait. we had some low murmuring laughter! knauer we need a canned laughter machine joho like they have next door? rubys_ joined the chat room. rubys_ ~chatzilla@209.242.167.226 rubys_ knauer there actually is no one next door jseng joined the chat room. jseng ~jseng@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jseng freightoi hey, laughter in here is real :-) jseng left the chat room. jseng ~jseng@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Client Quit jseng spaceboy its wierd science! dviner joined the chat room. dviner ~daveviner@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com dviner todbot fantasy and microchips sexygirl153 genius joho double genius in here maybe 2.5x sexygirl153 MORE genius here seanbonner best thing yet! nebby again i say: "what would you little maniacs like to do first?" joho hilarious, but the sort of laughter that stays inside your lungs sexygirl153 emotion detecting cutlery TrevorFSmith We just got free powerbook G5s. sexygirl153 we got G6's dviner free powerbooks ? seanbonner We just got blowjobs TrevorFSmith I went for the 12". Who needs a 21" powerbook? knauer loaded with pr0n holgate and kittens. spaceboy we can lie detector our dates freightoi hey, when does os x go to II? sexygirl153 such cute kittnes joho golden kittens with two heads TrevorFSmith Oh, our powerbooks were delivered on the backs of kittens. genmon larger than life size horse made of solid glass knauer overheated kitties freightoi dates? joho wise golden two-headed kittens that tell the future and pick appropriate slacks spaceboy slacks? freightoi getting the date is the hard part! joho we're worshipping a golden calf now. cool! TrevorFSmith And Steve Jobs just gave us preview copies of Tabby, the OS X after Tiger. crysflame free powerbook G4s?! joho i have trouble picking slacks, spaceboy. want to make something of it? crysflame G4s? genmon a flower that grows to the centre of the earth and heats your socks with magma crysflame dammit fingers that has to be a joke =) TrevorFSmith G5s. knauer hey... settle down... freedom is on the march in our session crysflame everyone knows that the G5 doesn't fit in a powerbook too much heat =) spaceboy no, just that you pick SLACKS joho it's late in the afternoon, i'm tired... TrevorFSmith crysflame: that's funny, because I'm IRCing you from my new powerbook G5 right now. It was free in the TheyWorkForYou.com session. joho my new powerbook kittens work via esp TrevorFSmith esp and folksonomies. hober joined the chat room. hober ~ted@ip68-8-6-223.sd.sd.cox.net hober joho parapsychonomies knauer espsonomies joho epsonomies: classified printers freightoi spesp spam esp Earthman Wait a minute, I thought everytime anyone said folksonomy a kitten died? _joshua Oh, I hope so seanbonner FAUXONOMY todbot folksonomy TrevorFSmith Earthman: It's ok. We have lots of kittens. spaceboy yeah, we just killed your powerkittens joho no, if you don't say folksonomy they're going to kill some kittens sexygirl153 fauxonomy holgate they rescuscitated it with a monitor coil. todbot remixed dna killkittens NiallKennedy only the kittens with long tails seanbonner no, if you say folksononomy we kill you joho not fast enough, spaceboy. I'm wearing boots of kittensaving and put them under a protective veil of folksonomy ryanco inflight notes on hardware hacks: http://asciiarmor.com/resources/h​ardwarehacks.txt jbond stabs sean dviner why are all speeches w/ "semantic web" in the title start by saying "this talk isn't about the semantic web" ? TrevorFSmith Wait... Our speaker just solved all problems around folksonomies. Amazing. joho and then clay shirky entered and smote them with his mighty sword Folxonomi! cheesebikini dont make me break out my google dockbar ChrisDodo there are tens of character and physical traits they can detect from lengths of fingers spaceboy i love it when he smotes joho this is a no smoting zone, unfortunately crysflame Trevor: somehow i disbelieve really hard sexygirl153 he's genius crysflame cheesebikini: do you have the HTML source of it? seanbonner this is the best session yet joho we are so going to outcheer you once this guy is done. crysflame sean: which session? TrevorFSmith crysflame: you should see the NP complete problem processor in my new powerbook. seanbonner Hardware Hacking cheesebikini no but heres an image: joho theyworkforyou, crysflame cheesebikini http://www.assembleme.com/2005/03/​google-osx-sitting-in-tree.html seanbonner from the far side jseng joined the chat room. jseng ~jseng@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jseng alice we should build an etech mmog clay can be a powerup sexygirl153 subliminal message system :D crysflame cheesebikini: it is so gone joho when will oreilly do a Hacking Coughs book for smokers? crysflame Trevor: by all rights, it doesn't exist todbot what does the "o" in "etech mmog" stand for? crysflame and even if it does, you can't prove you have one becuase otherwise its power would be questionable cheesebikini crys: somehow i think it was a prank! maybe even something done filtering traffic locally in etech? sexygirl153 online? joho what do the mog in mmog stand for? cheesebikini it seemed SOOO ungoogle migurski noam toran showed some fanastic work like this at ivrea last year (sublim. messages) todbot ontologie migurski wish i had a URL, will google joho what does the u in w stand for? alice heh the o is so redundant. you're right. todbot hahahaha! TrevorFSmith crysflame: weird. my pb G5 is emulating Alan Turing. joho can be right when i have no idea what i'm talking about? FrankK left the chat room. FrankK ~chatzilla@pD950A61D.dip.t-dialin.net Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) FrankK crysflame gives up on the joke. cheese: i saw it from home on my firefox not at etech i still have it open in a browser it was smoooooooth also violates the apple look&feel dock patent bitsko joined the chat room. bitsko ~ken@dsl.76.41.networkiowa.com bitsko crysflame :) dviner speakers should post slides on http://wiki.oreillynet.com/etech0​5/index.cgi?PresentationSlides joho there! that showed them! we rule! knauer left the chat room. knauer ~josh@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com knauer joho yeah! joe_hughes left the chat room. joe_hughes ~hughes@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com joe_hughes TrevorFSmith we so rule. jseng talking about the mac like google? NelsonMinar ? DaveMc500hats left the chat room. DaveMc500hats ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0/20041107]" DaveMc500hats TrevorFSmith Now, feral robots! jseng who have a url? crysflame oo, feral robots eats TrevorFSmith seanbonner sex spaceboy dirty girl sexygirl153 sex sex sex freightoi so, who is the steve jobs of google? seanbonner sex sex sex sexygirl153 sex sex sex seanbonner sex sexygirl153 sex sex sex sex spaceboy sex sex sex sexygirl153 sex nebby hex? spaceboy sex seanbonner sex sexygirl153 sex sex spaceboy sex sexygirl153 sex seanbonner sex sex sex sex sexygirl153 sxe sex spaceboy sex sex sex lobo_ sex seanbonner sex sexygirl153 sex lobo_ sex sex jseng left the chat room. jseng ~jseng@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jseng todbot kittens? holgate the kama sutra of logic gates. nebby naughty diagrams tengi stop it, you'll go blind spaceboy hot gay gates cheesebikini did ANYONE snag the source code/graphics from the Google X thing? need it for somethin.. freightoi orgy gate seanbonner cheesebikini I have a jpg on seanbonner.com sexygirl153 gate porn cheesebikini yeh ive got a screenshot.. seanbonner gate gate pr0n bd34r left the chat room. bd34r ~bd34r@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) bd34r freightoi ahh, there is the orgy cheesebikini good god whats going on in that session You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. lyza no, stupid proprietary canon hoo ha joho "this is what we might be doing after we get bored of broadcast" jbond bummer lyza yah dviner_ PIPs ? BigD ah, leaves cell ringer on AND answers in the room todbot last preso of the day and only now we get proper color BigD grumbles spaceboy you have a cannon? seanbonner cannon??!!! marksimpkins big booming cannon lyza BigD : I wonder if it's the same guy who annoyed me earlier. stefan joined the chat room. stefan ~stefan@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com stefan jbond and it's battery powered marksimpkins sink ships stefan is now known as Matthew. Matthew stefan stefan BigD twas a woman this time holgate feral robots with battery powered cannons. TrevorFSmith We just got free robotic minions. What did BBC bring? joho our cannon shoots G5's out into the audience Matthew is now known as MatthewS. MatthewS Matthew Matthew spaceboy we are robotic minions of the BBC BigD Dr. Who preview? knauer free robotic kitty minions ryanco joined the chat room. ryanco ~ryancox@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com ryanco SebPaquet_ left the chat room. SebPaquet_ ~chatzilla@mctn1-7743.nb.aliant.net Connection timed out SebPaquet_ cheesebikini left the chat room. cheesebikini ~seansavag@adsl-67-116-209-22.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net Connection timed out cheesebikini jseng joined the chat room. jseng ~jseng@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jseng jibot jseng is in singapore and blogs at http://james.seng.cc/ and is at etech TrevorFSmith Wait my minion is saying something.... jbond exterminate. exterminate. MatthewS how was the sandwich/blowing things up talk? TrevorFSmith Why, yes. I would like another martini. jbond matthews weird NelsonMinar why is there no pr0n on etherpeg? freightoi hey, they appear to be having computer problems but they are on a mac! how can that be? NelsonMinar zillions of flickr neutral faces dviner_ martini during talks... spaceboy did someone say martini? JayF joined the chat room. JayF ~chatzilla@70-56-72-243.tukw.qwest.net JayF freightoi I'll take a run&coke plz jbond any time, any place, any where seanbonner someone just said Tesla sexygirl153 they should totally make flickarrrrrr for pirates freightoi tesla ruled! jbond Shaken not stirred please genmon how do i tell jibot about myself? TrevorFSmith I'm kind of pissed, because I didn't get the model of minion that chills the glasses. MatthewS sexygirl153: only on Talk Like A Pirate Day _joshua fluckr sexygirl153 lickr spaceboy yes to flikarrrrrrrrrrrrr, view all tagged as 'wenches' wch2 joined the chat room. wch2 ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com wch2 migurski sputtr todbot spaceboy: har har har! seanbonner genmon ?lern genmon is... learn i mean genmon thanks freightoi cool! another accent! jbond or ? def with no space sexygirl153 hmm spaceboy great accent dviner_ dear lord lobo__ joined the chat room. lobo__ ~a@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com lobo__ joho Our session is paused while they try to direct the lava flow someplace safe sexygirl153 i think this might not be awseome BigD UCSD! represent! todbot presenters with accents are hot spaceboy double hmmmm freightoi irish/english/california thingie kinda sexygirl153 bu, she is kinda hot dviner_ british dancing and jokes genmon ?learn genmon is http://interconnected.org/home (matt webb) jibot genmon is http://interconnected.org/home (matt webb) ChrisDodo ?learn genmon is dan ashcroft jibot genmon is http://interconnected.org/home (matt webb) and dan ashcroft seanbonner swarm robotics richardhod rude jokes in room B nebby she is the robot queen, beware genmon chrisdodo: dick sexygirl153 dan aaahcorooooooft! freightoi suh WHEEET dviner_ bbc to buy pint of guiness for all attendees ? genmon it's not funny because it's rude joho we're cheering because a blue screen appeared for a second. that's pathetic. sexygirl153 ?learn ChrisDodo smells funny jibot I need at least 3 words with an 'is' in the middle ChrisDodo ?forget genmon is dan ashcroft jibot I now only know that genmon is http://interconnected.org/home (matt webb) todbot kill. all. hu-mans. sexygirl153 ?learn ChrisDodo is a bit smelly jibot ChrisDodo is also known as anti-mega & sometimes even Chris Heathcote & in Helsinki, Finland & is in San Diego already & a bit smelly mr_austin joined the chat room. mr_austin ~austin@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com mr_austin mr_austin left the chat room. mr_austin ~austin@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Client Quit mr_austin jbond strange cutlery noises in B ChrisDodo ?forgetme dviner_ feral robots vs. british accent. jibot I have expunged ChrisDodo from my mind jbond ghosts? 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NelsonMinar ~nelson@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "User disconnected" NelsonMinar freightoi yeah, how quickly social robotics turns into "on your knees humann!" jseng left the chat room. jseng ~jseng@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Client Quit jseng sexygirl153 :D Earthman You have to pay extra for that model sexygirl153 i, for one, welcome our robot overlords genmon antisocial robotics jbond that's *puny* human to you joho are social robots republicans or democrats? mr_austin joined the chat room. mr_austin ~austin@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com mr_austin freightoi blue bots or red bots dviner_ depends on birthplace of robot. sexygirl153 social robots are AWESOME ChrisDodo ?whois genmon jibot genmon is http://interconnected.org/home (matt webb) and preacherman seanbonner feral robotic dog overlords sexygirl153 she's pausing alot holgate sssh in thie bbc room. sexygirl153 ?whois sexygirl153 michaelhilton joined the chat room. michaelhilton ~michaelhi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com michaelhilton jibot sexygirl153 is a sexy girl jbond social robots are like so grody. grody to the max. freightoi hmmm, geek count nebby what is that noise? freightoi I have a robotic vacuum cleaner lobo__ tea cups sexygirl153 which room you in, nebby ? TrevorFSmith clicking noise? genmon i don't have a robot dog myself, but i bought one for my gf.. todbot what is that noise!??!!? MatthewS whoops, I left my bag up on stage. I hope Tom Coates doesn't do anything with it nebby robotqueen room jbond it's robot waiters laying cutlery spaceboy maybe it's the martinis being made knauer their fencing in the next room marksimpkins i grew my dog in a vat freightoi the overlords are preparing behind the curtain sexygirl153 *they're lobo__ robotic tea stirrers joho Ok, here's a straightline for you to make up a punchline for: What do you use to clean a roomba? BigD need to learn to use a bigger font genmon is room C *shouting*? dviner left the chat room. dviner ~daveviner@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Connection timed out dviner sexygirl153 excellent MatthewS genmon: nope knauer thank you teacher todbot oh golly lobo_ left the chat room. lobo_ ~a@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Connection timed out lobo_ freightoi oh no, the french joke did not fly sexygirl153 not when you pronounce it like that it's not :/ freightoi my teachers were never hot cheesebi1ini can we hack them to pee on the floor? cgervais joined the chat room. cgervais ~cgervais@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com cgervais sexygirl153 she's pretty hot for a geek holgate this is the anti-roomba talk. sexygirl153 hahaha jbond I bet she's... strict. seanbonner heh. hot geeks. spaceboy maybe the robot feral dogs will attack teh rumba weapons sexygirl153 you can bet on it jbond keeps those pseky robots in line todbot picturing leather and shiny vinyl freightoi fully motile! hmmm, I can't compete with that! todbot and a riding crop seanbonner hot bloggers? sexygirl153 play with what exactly? jbond when was the last time you played with it? TrevorFSmith Ok. Slow talk. Switching rooms. freightoi oh man, I just totaly lost focus dviner_ good "hot or not" app. todbot with _it_ sexygirl153 i playeds with it during the break seanbonner robot dogs holgate and did you play with the dog, sir? freightoi but they are fully motile! sexygirl153 haha ryanco left the chat room. ryanco ~ryancox@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com ryanco genmon iPuppy freightoi sory, I'm feeling a bit insecure BigD hack yer doggy genmon or pupp-e todbot "pimp my robot dog" holgate pimp your robopooch. sexygirl153 all terraion dogs! jbond pimp your dog todbot tag seanbonner robotdogsonomy todbot or: jinx genmon combat sexygirl153 that's a dope dog megnut joined the chat room. megnut ~megnut@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com megnut spaceboy a dog that can find you drugs! freightoi werd! Two barks for the good stuff sexygirl153 weapons! killer robot dogs with guns! holgate sniffing real dogs' arses. freightoi and dope eleanor left the chat room. eleanor ~eleanor@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Connection timed out eleanor jbond with laser eyes joho hey, keep it down with your sexy, humping dogs! I'm trying to concentrate on the ontology of television episodes! sexygirl153 frikkin laser beams spaceboy lol freightoi and fully motile! dont forget the motile! sexygirl153 sounds exciting knauer http://www.cowswithguns.com sexygirl153 yeah, WHY!?????!!?!?!?! JayF left the chat room. JayF ~chatzilla@70-56-72-243.tukw.qwest.net "Chatzilla 0.9.66 [Mozilla rv:1.7.5/20041107]" JayF freightoi exploit, fully motile, amputate. hmmmmmm sexygirl153 room b seems to have been a bad choice jbond Are we supposed to read that slide? freightoi b rules sexygirl153 how's room c? migurski jbond: you will be tested sexygirl153 apart from her being hot, it's not so great nice accent though todbot guerilla dogfare TrevorFSmith sexygirl153: t. coates is talking about episodic URLS. sexygirl153 haha spaceboy she is hot though sexygirl153 i probably would freightoi "....to create a local mediagenic event: the feral robotic dog..." sexygirl153 TrevorFSmith: ta richardhod left the chat room. richardhod ~irc@vpn-052-058.usc.edu Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) richardhod spaceboy and she has a robot army. nebby she used to seem much more hardcore megnut agreed spaceboy it's like having condileeza rice in the room sexygirl153 maybe she's had her logic board upgraded jbond nebby. And now she's just another geek richardhod joined the chat room. richardhod ~irc@vpn-052-164.usc.edu richardhod joho episodic URLS ... of pr0n! Don't leave out the pr0n part! genmon yeah, because now we all have our own robot armies freightoi robot dog pr0n? sexygirl153 fight the man! jemstone http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/ spaceboy fight the mans dogs! joho John Cleese naked from the waist down. Yeah, that's what's going on in C. NiallKennedy left the chat room. NiallKennedy ~NiallKenn@m206-184.dsl.tsoft.com NiallKennedy dviner_ hah holgate robot hounds will be hunting robot foxes soon. genmon hey robot armies are in every city of the world freightoi yuck! BigD aw yeah genmon *her todbot waist down? freightoi and finding dope sexygirl153 waste down TrevorFSmith C: It is funny to me that it took so long for web developers to get back around to "one resource per URL" migurski feralroboticdogpackrelease.meetup.​com freightoi there is no 'r' in idea. How does that happen? joho :) ryanco joined the chat room. ryanco ~ryancox@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com ryanco jseng joined the chat room. jseng ~jseng@203.117.75.21 jseng holgate migurski++ sexygirl153 hahaha +++ freightoi www.roboticdogpile.com migurski hah seanbonner http://xdesign.ucsd.edu/feralrobot​s/ todbot um, because it's florida? seanbonner for those not here jseng where can you buy these dogs? seanbonner YEAH! Florida! jbond won't anyone think of the sexygirl153 superfun sites? holgate welcome to the american face of 'dogging'. freightoi jeb! jbond holgate++ holgate dogging on the common is going to be a bit weird. sexygirl153 this is turning into dull political crap :( nebby left the chat room. nebby ~neb@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "This machine just fell asleep" nebby spaceboy just another thing that doesn't translate jbond wait till they discover roasting freightoi she is still hot sexygirl153 i WANT KILLER ROBOTS she is spaceboy not when the dogs mutate from the chemicals and turn on teh kiddies jseng lol adamhill joined the chat room. adamhill ~adamhill@c-24-23-83-155.client.comcast.net adamhill sexygirl153 ahh, right jseng people not here for the dogs joho well, Cheney is a start, sexygirl jbond and then they mutate sexygirl153 /whereinroomis freightoi holgate the incredible hulk robodog. megnut left the chat room. megnut ~megnut@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "This machine just fell asleep" megnut freightoi hmmm, give the dogs $20,000 minifab labs and let them reproce themselves! jemstone http://www.plasticbag.org/archives​/2004/06/developing_a_url_structur​e_for_broadcast_radio_sites.shtml sexygirl153 haha jbond ooh movies freightoi I'll scratch my head now... jbond attack attack spaceboy empowerment through robots! i've waited all my life for this holgate this is a great art event... joho movies?? lucky stiffs. We have powerpoints about program ID's ... three metasteps from actual entertainment sexygirl153 i understand they're driving around... holgate FOR ME TO POOP ON! migurski lol sexygirl153 oops, was lloking down, typing mr_austin i like powerpoints about program ids sexygirl153 oh well joho (the bbc talk is actually interesting.) knauer holgate+ + freightoi hmmmm, screw, tinker, fully motile. hmmmm jseng hmm..where can i buy these dogs? dviner_ ++joho joho maybe not killer robotdog interesting, but interesting freightoi ok, one more time... knauer is that a contaminated robot sitting next to her? spaceboy get them from the feral robot dog pound sexygirl153 i've seen the beeb one before joho don't spoil the ending, sexygirl holgate I want robodogs on the old glue factory grounds in middlesbrough. sexygirl153 the girl dies! joho robotdog is a ghost. so there! BigD mediagenic events knauer do feral robot dogs hump each other? ccoryell left the chat room. ccoryell ~ccoryell@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Connection timed out ccoryell holgate Dog of the Dump joho yes, and best of all they get shiny where they touch jbond do feral robot dogs hump R2D2? BigD good water skiing tho spaceboy i think it would be better if they were 18 feet tall freightoi I just noticed something, when I have a laptop on my lap I don't pay attention to the talk all too well BigD what talk? sexygirl153 haha yea migurski or even 18 inches sexygirl153 to both of you joho try placing it further toward your knees, freightoi KevinMarks in middlesbrough the dogs would go loopy mr_austin i missed what PIPs is jbond http://www.boingboing.net/2005/02/​28/graffito_of_a_dog_hu.html sexygirl153 tyr closing collquy KevinMarks "thousands of robot dogs march on ICI" holgate KevinMarks++ sexygirl153 ;) Earthman We could upgrade the dogs to find deadly conference sessions freightoi heh TrevorFSmith SMEF: http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/s​mef/ BigD kids are smart holy crap ccoryell joined the chat room. ccoryell ~ccoryell@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com ccoryell sexygirl153 SMEF! todbot jbond: now that's a robot dog sexygirl153 kids are smarter than her holgate Mutant Robomutts Go Mental In Billingham freightoi I wanna see the dogs fight!!!!! dviner_ do they run their own ship? or shit ? joho Picture in Picture, I think. Or possible British for orange seeds. BigD hide the gum sexygirl153 that wpuld rock jbond nuclear vicar ate my robodog sexygirl153 dogfight! freightoi no doubT! jemstone BBC Interactive Media Player: http://www.bbc.co.uk/webwise/askb​ruce/articles/bbc.co.uk/imp_1.shtm​l spaceboy robot hounds of hell seanbonner if someone knocks on your door do the robot does say 000101110110001010100 cheesebi1ini nobody mentioned C.H.O.M.P.S. ? seanbonner ? sexygirl153 this is less about robots, and more about polluted sites freightoi this would work alot better if she were not sitting migurski having toys do the pointing makes the diff joho Robotdog is getting its own program on the BBC jbond Is that a beaver or an otter? joho Starring Benny Hill sexygirl153 maybe if she were dressed as a GIANT ROBOT DOG!!!!! knauer they use Barktooth(tm) of course migurski i'd be impressed todbot not too much tech in this talk... robodogs as platform for activism spaceboy groan TrevorFSmith Only a geek could name something SMEF. sexygirl153 yeah, basically Earthman Is that a robodog right next to her? BigD social agents spaceboy robot ducks would be better sexygirl153 robot weasels! seanbonner Robot Platypuses jbond does she wield a soldering iron? Or just talk about it seanbonner er, platapi freightoi hmmm, robot college new-hires cheesebi1ini "nonbarking end" migurski robot grad students sexygirl153 i think she just talks in the sexy accent BigD why IS she sitting? ChrisDodo where are her rollerblades? crysflame kiad's robot album was the best spaceboy my non-barking end is numb migurski sniffing for grant money BigD isn't this a presentation? freightoi Yeah, she is actually from Long Island KevinMarks the 2nd one was good too BigD hmm, too late to get anything out of the bbc pres? sexygirl153 who's seen her talk before? neb? TrevorFSmith jbond: She's built some interesting things herself. Perhaps she has grad students, now. crysflame i can imagine the hell a police department would go through if an army of prosletyzing robots was unleashed freightoi I want grad students. That would be cool joho They're wrapping up the architecture of the database system here in BBC West. KevinMarks read it on tom's blog TrevorFSmith jbond: She was at PARC years ago, and she built some interesting things. freightoi mormon robot dogs!!!!!! migurski somehow this project sounds much, much more amazing when cory describes it minus visual aids KevinMarks then ask q's joho There's an internal API sexygirl153 oooooh really? that's cool joho yeah, that's waaaay better than snarling mutant robot dogs. freightoi nonononono! that is not communication! BigD do they have a SNIFF buss? seanbonner I want to see a robot dog fight a Roomba sexygirl153 how about SMEF ? joho I want to see roombas fighting each other jbond trevor: Ok thought it was all mouth and no trousers freightoi my roomba would so kick her feral dogbot's butt! sexygirl153 what does that even mean? joho can we put an emotion chip into a roomba? migurski roomba vs. that new wheelie dyson vacuum ball sexygirl153 write over the data streams" todbot i don't see how they get any quantitative data from the robodogs since she's not mentioned how they do stationkeeping. gps? dead-reckoning? don't care? TrevorFSmith jbond: she wasn't that way in the past. I don't know about now. BigD apple gonna provide any food? seanbonner is the next project killer robot dogs? joho pip=project informatoin page freightoi I need to upgrade my roombas positronic sucking device. Earthman Opensource robots sexygirl153 programme information pages dviner_ PIP == IMDB but for tv shows ? migurski toxin-depositing robot dogs mr_austin aahh... thx sexygirl153 actually ;) adamhill Woomba's are the new hotness sexygirl153 dviner_ - bascially ccoryell they get dog postion from the balloon cam in the sky, overlay data on the video. sexygirl153 but also not migurski i don't think quant. data is really the idea with these things seanbonner http://xdesign.ucsd.edu/ooz/ sexygirl153 ahh joho They're about to talk about what you could build on top of this bbc database fingers crossed for robotdogs dviner_ or how you can't if there's licensing freightoi they just follow the gradient. they dont need gps, just let them go and see where thy p;ile up KevinMarks http://www.plasticbag.org/archives​/2004/06/developing_a_url_structur​e_for_broadcast_radio_sites.shtml sexygirl153 think of the children!! jbond kind of like sheep then BigD she's doing it... for the children holgate robots of the world, you have nothing to lose but your contaminant origins. todbot ahh, that makes sense... but i didn't get that out of her talk KevinMarks tom's detailed post about the stuff in the talk migurski hee freightoi hmmmm, robot goose Earthman Robot lemmings seanbonner ROBOT GOOSE! jseng im going to get one of these icybies holgate goose! cheesebi1ini (who asked for a duck?) joho robot robots! dviner_ number of "flying circus" episodes watched on tivo jbond non humans? cheesebi1ini scary scary goose BigD she talks like a thesis reads spaceboy do robotic gradstudents dream of electric geese? joho :) Earthman spaceboy++ cheesebi1ini spaceboy++ joho I, Roomba worse.title.ever TrevorFSmith It is hard to me to believe that television corps don't already have the capabilities which they're talking about as future work. KevinMarks katamari damarcy vs robot dogs migurski joho++ jbond this robotic goose is ... ROBOZILLA! dviner_ Trevor: they do, but we (non-tv execs) dont holgate Let's Mess With The Heads Of Those Geese. ChrisDodo i want a robotic swan cheesebi1ini my schooldesks werent swingable wkearney99 joined the chat room. wkearney99 ~wkearney9@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com wkearney99 jibot wkearney99 is Bill Kearney, located in Bethesda, MD and has a blog at (Link: http://www.ideaspace.net/users/wk​earney) Earthman Take a gander at that dviner_ Trevor: or... i'd guess they do TrevorFSmith dviner_: That's not what I'm hearing, but I hope it is true. seanbonner awesome! BigD does it have torpedoes? holgate Geese are class. dviner_ Trevor: i think they are saying the bbc doesn't have it... but i'm pretyt sure that nbc does. holgate They take no shit. Earthman What's good for the goose.... spaceboy they saved rome BigD can't do the same thing with a wireless boat? jbond Geese are the punks ofthe bird world holgate My money's on the real geese. TrevorFSmith dviner_: Could be. awooster joined the chat room. awooster ~awooster@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com awooster migurski you can talk with the animals KevinMarks hootspa? is that the green stuff I keep treading in? migurski walk with the animals tengi holgate: they just leave it everywhere seanbonner now if she can just hook the robot goose up to James's CRT mouse trap we'll really have something... spaceboy my moneys on the swan ChrisDodo anger the swan BigD awww, she said "hell!" holgate That swan could break an arm, you know. freightoi bob sapp vs robotdog ChrisDodo and you can't eat it withour roya lassent sexygirl153 is harrassing animals allowed? jbond that robotic goose could break your arm freightoi the last swan winner was from a city near me. spaceboy underwater robot dog feral packs vs robot geese with torpedos jbond And then you can say quack wkearney99 prefers to harass them with a 12 gauge... sexygirl153 :/ BigD get in my belly! joho meanwhile, over in the bbc room they're working their way up to reinventing tivo freightoi gooseonomy joho without torpedoes dviner_ lol joho tivonomy BigD maybe cuz it's going "RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR" dviner_ wonder if tivo has universal id for show joho tivowiki Earthman My money's NOT on reinventing TiVo mr_austin or at least playing nice with tivo spaceboy every time someone says gooseonomy a PIP dies KevinMarks distributed vidoe editing via tivo woudl be cool BigD exudos awooster distributed ad filtering would be cool joho everyone someone says pip, gladys knight dies holgate distributed goose editing. todbot wonder if she did a control with a non-goose-looking remote control boat awooster figure out where everyone skips to TrevorFSmith dviner_: I thought that shows had IDs as far back as early programmable VCRs, which was published in TV Guide. KevinMarks http://www.corante.com/many/archiv​es/2004/10/19/could_we_have_social​_video_editing.php migurski http://www.google.com/search?q=%22​every+time+someone+*+a+*+dies KevinMarks better than that - average the playback speed people use dviner_ Trevor: could be... i'm not a tv guide user :) joho trevor, good point. third party, i tihnk. holgate Gooseboy, raised by robot geese... MatthewS TrevorFSmith: VIdeoPlus+ codes aren't unique, they restart after time jbond treat ads as spam. Use bayes techniques to eliminate them from tivo playback KevinMarks you coudl watch a baseball game in 20 minutes sexygirl153 this sounds quite dumb - what am i missing? ChrisDodo MEDIA ARTIST ALERT TrevorFSmith MatthewS: Who designed that?!? freightoi this talk is more bizzar than the one before it. sexygirl153 yeah joho wrt MatthewS: jesus christ. does every irc know every damn thing? sexygirl153 the one before was god freightoi at least I could relate to gatepr0n migurski she does have an english accent ChrisDodo in that she gets a lot of funding for it sexygirl153 this is meh joho it's enough to make you believe in the wisdom of crowds holgate english? MatthewS TrevorFSmith: GemStar. It's quite clever, in the UK anyway, code 1 is always something like 7:30-8pm on first of the month (Coronation Street) holgate australian. with california influences. MatthewS joho: Of course :) KevinMarks not english migurski close enough for childrens' book work sexygirl153 she's SO not english lobo__ robot goose meets hacked monitor TrevorFSmith MatthewS: Ah, so there is a map from code to timeslot? sexygirl153 that would rock BigD robohorse! freightoi you dont need bayes thrm to tell you the content is 30 seconds long seanbonner I think she's German ryanco left the chat room. ryanco ~ryancox@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com ryanco sexygirl153 code to multiple timeslots jcgregorio left the chat room. jcgregorio ~chatzilla@adsl-221-65-76.rmo.bellsouth.net Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) jcgregorio sexygirl153 on multiple channels lobo__ omg jbond there's a bit of Kylie about her sexygirl153 SHE'S FUCKING CRAZY cheesebi1ini fishbots! MatthewS TrevorFSmith: Well, a "secret" algorithm awooster "have you ever wanted to talk to fish?" jseng we should have this irc channel on the big screen on the side freightoi ok, now we are talking to fish tengi I prefer filets knauer before or after I eat it? sexygirl153 oh seanbonner fishonomy sexygirl153 we do migurski "why... yes" BigD no they are not joho my god! The bbc guys are unmasking themselves! They're ...robotodogs! todbot fucking crazy sexygirl153 i need to remember to be nice lobo__ doolittleonomy holgate gawd. we'll never learn to speak goose if we can't tell english accents apart. ChrisDodo tom coates is a robot swan spaceboy they are social fish! jcgregorio joined the chat room. jcgregorio ~chatzilla@adsl-221-65-76.rmo.bellsouth.net jcgregorio sexygirl153 this is broadcast outside :/ is Tom Coates BigD not nice is funnier migurski i'll be speaking duck instead KevinMarks secretly, she wants to eb rex harrison joho anononymy - taxonomy of unidentified people freightoi hmmm, are fish turing complete? todbot ob: fishonomy Earthman Roombafish MatthewS sexygirl153: it's not any more, they turned off the IRC bit on like the first day sexygirl153 hahaha BigD enable the fish sexygirl153 i wonder who influenced that decision :D ChrisDodo why aren't the fish on irc? seanbonner I think she's Pakistani freightoi hmmm, does roomba algorithm work in 3d? spaceboy it's time we leveled the playing field for angling seanbonner I could post the logs ChrisDodo roomba doesn't have an algorithm cheesebi1ini you can become more intimate with the geese sexygirl153 haha MatthewS all that's left is the Technorati/Flickr/whatever live stream thingy that doesn't seem to show very much BigD laserrobofish! ChrisDodo is it alcohol time yet? jseng its no longer as fun lobo__ explosive fish - that'd MatthewS has RoomB finished? jbond freightoi: cross roomba with remote control helium blimps dviner_ apple offering alocohol ? holgate so, when the robogoose eats the robofish... BigD it's always alcohol time KevinMarks wel, tag more posts spaceboy do geese eat fish? BigD robopoop lobo__ duh - robogoose is a veggie... sexygirl153 shutting down for a quick exit... MatthewS spaceboy: was that a rhetorical answer to my question? ;) holgate sticklebacks. awooster they should try this trick with sharks big ones jbond autonamous robot blimp ceiling cleaners genmon left the chat room. genmon ~genmon@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com genmon jseng fish are dumber irl seanbonner ok, so fish can turn on lights? spaceboy MatthewS: yes joho goose-necked roboBeebs cheesebi1ini holgate: no need for obscenities jbond Albatross. Albatross. spaceboy what the hells that in the bottom left? freightoi lets tag the fish! holgate speaking of fish, I need to investigate some ethanol-polluted water. seanbonner it's asperagus jbond that's a robot lobster Earthman iDrink tengi therefore I am noidfish this conversation is quite annoying when you're irc client bounces every time anyone says "fish" joho do robolobsters dream of drawn butter? cheesebi1ini robovaries KevinMarks you know the Monterey Aquarium shark started eating otehr fish? spaceboy i want to talk to the animals dviner_ change url to do it right... hm... what if bbc gets it wrong this time? noidfish your even holgate ohmygod this is the PETA South Park with robots. ChrisDodo robot foie gras freightoi fish joho actually, the robots enjoy being forcefed awooster we should put lasers on their heads while we're at it spaceboy gay robot animal refuge todbot holgate++ hahaha joho gaybotsonomy seanbonner fish can eat?? lobo__ frickin laser beams holgate "I never drink water. Fish f**k in it." -- WC Fields. joho sodomysonomy - modern kama sutra MatthewS wow, deja vu. dviner_ actors don't have unique urls ? joe_hughes left the chat room. joe_hughes ~hughes@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com joe_hughes knauer left the chat room. knauer ~josh@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com knauer joho fook? flik? what do fish do in water? spaceboy joho++ MatthewS well, they have unique names in Equity, so should be easy ccoryell left the chat room. ccoryell ~ccoryell@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) ccoryell todbot later i want to ask her about all these superfun sites migurski folksodomy? KevinMarks shark vidblog: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2004_09​_01_epeus_archive.html#10958059342​5725275 ChrisDodo i hope the apple reception serves sushi Earthman migurksi: LOL holgate hakesodomy joho robosharkvidblogomy seanbonner sushi++ lobo__ ChrisDodo++ spaceboy i hope theres folksodomy seanbonner sex todbot omg freightoi this technology is disruptive! KevinMarks fauxodomy cgervais left the chat room. cgervais ~cgervais@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "User disconnected" cgervais migurski "he was faking it" dviner_ british hatred? spaceboy fauxsodomy You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. jibot cheesebikini is Sean Savage and a Berkeley grad student who named flash mobs flash mobs and is busy neglecting his site cheesebikini.com. noidfish left the chat room. noidfish ~paul@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com noidfish zzgavin joined the chat room. zzgavin ~gavin@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com zzgavin zzgavin left the chat room. zzgavin ~gavin@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Client Quit zzgavin crysflame oh, wow i forgot why i knew that name cheesebikini cheesebikini but you didnt forget the name crysflame nope congrats on the permanence cheesebikini thanks.. hey, i have a cache of the GoogleX page termie cheesebikini: i assume you aren't at the makers thing then... cheesebikini im across the hall from it crysflame cheesebikini: awesome. http://pastebot.org/ termie looks around. crysflame paste the html source, hit Paste, then provide the url it gives you termie :) spaceboy left the chat room. spaceboy ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) spaceboy termie I'm next to jzawodny and jseng... jseng :) cheesebikini shiite... closed + forgot to grab URL.. termie cheesebikini: pastebot.org cheesebikini http://pastebot.nd.edu/567 jseng left the chat room. jseng ~jseng@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jseng tengi joined the chat room. tengi ~tengi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com tengi jibot tengi is Chris Tengi and a SysAdmin in the Princeton University CS Department tengi left the chat room. tengi ~tengi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com tengi imajes_ left the chat room. imajes_ ~james@imajes.growl Connection timed out imajes_ crysflame hi jseng doesn't know jwz well enough to say hi but hi jwz anyways jemstone joined the chat room. jemstone ~jemstone@12.105.241.29 jemstone crysflame cheesebikini: thank you! bows. this works perfectly. cheesebikini sho nuff... you need the gifs though ja? crysflame no i just want the DHTMLJS the gifs are incidental besides, they have mouseover titles see, this is a pure DHTML/JS clone of Apple's dock. worth its weight in lawsuit bond paper throws a ream at Google noidfish joined the chat room. noidfish ~paul@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com noidfish jmartenstein joined the chat room. jmartenstein ~justin@70-58-69-65.tukw.qwest.net jmartenstein noidfish left the chat room. noidfish ~paul@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Client Quit noidfish jseng joined the chat room. jseng ~jseng@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jseng cheesebikini que? who is chrysflame? crysflame i am richard soderberg coral everywhere but freenode cheesebikini aha crysflame (and my domain, crystalflame.net) cheesebikini i thought you were gonna say you're with the apple legal team crysflame hehe no i work for cloudmark in SF cheesebikini not nearly as smooth as apple dock.. nice tribute though sexygirl153 left the chat room. sexygirl153 ~cal@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) sexygirl153 crysflame it's smooth here with the images in place workbench joined the chat room. workbench abuse@adsl-068-213-211-142.sip.bct.bellsouth.net workbench crysflame bows to dngor. dngor join.perl++ # when /invite doesn't work crysflame heh You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. tengi joined the chat room. tengi ~tengi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com tengi jibot tengi is Chris Tengi and a SysAdmin in the Princeton University CS Department tengi left the chat room. tengi ~tengi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com tengi jemstone left the chat room. jemstone ~jemstone@12.105.241.29 jemstone jcgregorio left the chat room. jcgregorio ~chatzilla@adsl-221-13-144.rmo.bellsouth.net "Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0.1/20050225]" jcgregorio joe_hughes left the chat room. joe_hughes ~hughes@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com joe_hughes chrisweare joined the chat room. chrisweare ~chriswear@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com chrisweare chrisweare left the chat room. chrisweare ~chriswear@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com chrisweare chrisweare joined the chat room. chrisweare ~chriswear@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com chrisweare chrisweare is now known as freightoi. freightoi chrisweare chrisweare joho joined the chat room. joho ~dweinberg@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com joho jibot joho is blogging at http://hyperorg.com/blogger/ & journal of the hyperlinked organization & David Weinberger & always confused & often miscellaneous buridan left the chat room. buridan ~palehorse@198.70.228.245 Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) buridan zzgavin joined the chat room. zzgavin ~gavin@adsl-69-227-93-230.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net zzgavin zzgavin left the chat room. zzgavin ~gavin@adsl-69-227-93-230.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net Client Quit zzgavin freightoi left the chat room. freightoi ~chriswear@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com freightoi cluster_fsck joined the chat room. cluster_fsck ~cgervais@dhcp64-134-209-193.cmsd.snd.wayport.net cluster_fsck zzgavin joined the chat room. zzgavin ~gavin@adsl-69-227-93-230.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net zzgavin Thordon joined the chat room. 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KevinMarks ~Snak@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com KevinMarks jibot KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & PST (UTC-8) & working at Technorati & wrote a python based irc client of DOOM paulm left the chat room. paulm ~paulm@1009host62.starwoodbroadband.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) paulm cluster_fsck left the chat room. cluster_fsck ~cgervais@dhcp64-134-209-193.cmsd.snd.wayport.net Remote closed the connection cluster_fsck You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. jibot cheesebikini is Sean Savage and a Berkeley grad student who named flash mobs flash mobs and is busy neglecting his site cheesebikini.com. trientje joined the chat room. trientje ~trientje@router-office.fotango.com trientje You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. jibot cheesebikini is Sean Savage and a Berkeley grad student who named flash mobs flash mobs and is busy neglecting his site cheesebikini.com. sexygirl153 is he trying to insult everyone? :) jseng left the chat room. jseng ~jseng@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jseng sexygirl153 "you're not special. you're not a beautiful and unique snowflake" seanbonner he's remixing one of his other speeches sexygirl153 :) BigD joined the chat room. BigD ~declan@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com BigD jseng joined the chat room. jseng ~jseng@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jseng jseng left the chat room. jseng ~jseng@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Client Quit jseng bkdelong Who's this? seanbonner LEssig plasticbagUK joined the chat room. plasticbagUK ~tom@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com plasticbagUK plasticbagUK everyone relax, I'm here now. dviner praising michael moore is infantilizing culture ? sexygirl153 woohoo aparently plasticbagUK hey duder coughping? spotted chrisweare joined the chat room. chrisweare ~chriswear@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com chrisweare plasticbagUK you're about ten chairs to the right of me sexygirl153 :) ryanco joined the chat room. ryanco ~ryancox@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com ryanco todbot joined the chat room. todbot ~tod@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com todbot jibot todbot is not a bot and Tod E. Kurt, at http://todbot.com/ . Once a Yahoo (via GoTo.com), now a space probe nerd. seanbonner I'm in the far right front corning, 4 rows back bkdelong Now everyone wave.... spaceboy mexican wave? plasticbagUK waves seanbonner jump up and down plasticbagUK mexican wave would kind of rock larry's pretty cool bkdelong flash wavers TrevorFSmith I'm in the far right front corn[er], 5 rows back plasticbagUK YAY! \I LOVE THIS MAKES MRE REALLY HAPPY clap clap clap Earthman joined the chat room. Earthman ~Earthman@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Earthman jibot Earthman is Adam Hertz at http://adam.typepad.com/impossibl​ethings . VP of Engineering at Technorati. A sucker for a comfy chair and an available powerstrip seanbonner is now positive Trevor is making faces at him Knekk Morning Adam TrevorFSmith Actually, I'm stealth disco'ing you. seanbonner crud! Earthman Morning Jorge seanbonner hard work? sounds hard. spaceboy i'm haard dviner it's "hard work", but the "mission is accomplished" rubys joined the chat room. rubys ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com rubys jibot rubys is Sam Ruby and in Raleigh, NC and can be found at http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/ and hosts the Atom wiki at http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/​pie/FrontPage rossm joined the chat room. rossm ~Snak@h-69-3-15-157.sndacagl.covad.net rossm cybaea WHERE can I get that video!!!!? michaelhilton joined the chat room. michaelhilton ~michaelhi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com michaelhilton seanbonner morning Ross MattJones Larry Lessig's FUNNIEST INTERNET VIDEOS!!! dviner this is the best remix yet. Earthman Hey Ross rossm hey folks, sadly from the airport on the way out plasticbagUK we need that TV show we need to absorb Lessig into the spectacle Baudrillard his ass up seanbonner Does anyone else think Lessig sounds a bit Shatner-like this morning? AndyBaio I hope he shows Star Wars Kid next BigD is he cueing the slides manually, or he just has it timed out? knauer frantic typing sounds overtake the room AndyBaio Or the Numa Numa kid dviner http://www.lessig.org/blog/archive​s/001956.shtml ? spaceboy won't somebody think of the children plasticbagUK He's kind of amazing jemstone http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/iannuc​ci/ cybaea Priceless video: http://www.citizensunited.org/Man​_of_the_People.mov sexygirl153 manually i think cluster_fsck larry must really like Keynote 2.0 plasticbagUK I really like keynote 2 seanbonner these slides are very DisInfo plasticbagUK the transitions are purdy todbot i'm kinda digging the black-to-white-to-black flashes.. good for morning sessions.. wake up! wake up! cluster_fsck ahhh...seizure! TrevorFSmith He seems to have a combination of timed slides with occasional manual steps for timing. marksimpkins wooo, strobe effect spaceboy pain....make the flashing stop BigD is keynote just a mac app? KevinMarks left the chat room. KevinMarks ~Snak@kevinmarks.sustaining.supporter.pdpc Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) KevinMarks mr_austin joined the chat room. mr_austin ~austin@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com mr_austin TrevorFSmith "just" seanbonner he's got a control in his left hand cheesebikini no its a way of life dviner black-to-white-to-black seems kinda like Fox Ewan_ joined the chat room. Ewan_ ~Ewan_@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Ewan_ jibot Ewan_ is the guy sitting next to me & Scottish, & has a tame(ish) Crow. & definitely scottish & blogs at http://ewan.symbiandiaries.com/ & is now back & living in Edinburgh BigD i wanna mac seanbonner enough? todbot we now return you to battling seizure lessigbots Ewan_ waves morning all BigD gotta talk the dir of IT into letting me have one Ewan_ checks on TomCoates stress levels seanbonner BigD - didn't you get one when you registered like everyone else? plasticbagUK Is it just me or are north americans extremely good at packaging up arguments in glorious rhetoric lobo BigD: mac++ BigD unforunately I'M the dir of IT seanbonner plasticbagUK: we try. dviner thanks god north americans are good at *somethign* BigD friggin standards spaceboy i think they teach it in school ryanco it's rapturous ... Earthman BigD, that means you have the powah! seanbonner AAARRR plasticbagUK Basically I agree with all of this stuff - just makes me a bit nervous when people play rhetorical games with good arguments TrevorFSmith shouts "We're here, we're geeks, get used to it." ryanco he was a beat poet in a former life ... he's going to blow out a candle at the end of his talk BigD Sept. 19th, Talk Like a Pirate Day plasticbagUK why don't people have faith that boring arguments can carry weight because they are right? dviner lol spaceboy whens talk like lessing day? plasticbagUK TODAY! BigD every day michaelhilton today is talk like an irish day :-) tengi ryanco++ Earthman remix lessig michaelhilton (st paddy's) seanbonner because they fall asleep before hearing the end of the arguement sexygirl153 i doubt everyone here thinks it's that 'wrong' KevinMarks joined the chat room. KevinMarks ~Snak@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com KevinMarks BigD slur yer words? Knekk hey Kevin ccoryell left the chat room. ccoryell ~ccoryell@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Connection timed out ccoryell seanbonner sounds like talk like Kirk day BigD KAHN!!!! ChrisL_AK joined the chat room. ChrisL_AK ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com ChrisL_AK todbot talk like an Irish Kirk day? ChrisDodo another rich american lawyer telling the kids to pay full price for music: priceless todbot O'KAHN!!! bkdelong I'm an Irish Kirk - on my mother's side. chrisweare is now known as freightoi. freightoi chrisweare chrisweare seanbonner an AAARRRish Kirk? BigD heh michaelhilton hehe plasticbagUK Hm. Slightly more nuanced. That's nice. MattJones COUGHPING spaceboy and take them out! cheesebikini involving kneecaps? KevinMarks morning seanbonner and squash! Earthman http://www.ipaction.org/ TrevorFSmith Not another "War on X" BigD we need abraham lincoln TrevorFSmith Please, no. cheesebikini red vs. blue seanbonner Does anyone have a dream? Earthman With malice towards the RIAA BigD nuke the heartland freightoi left handed vs right handed! dviner hm... north/south is a bit too much of an american analogy for such a global thing... isn't it? TrevorFSmith We have enough wars without possible victories, thanks. michaelhilton yah, my iPAQ wants to be free!! plasticbagUK "THEY" will destroy your technology I'm scared of THEM THEY'RE coming for me todbot north vs south. release us from the slavery of DRM. marksimpkins big ants KevinMarks You know the term 'piracy' cmae from Radio caroline? spaceboy he's staring into the future marksimpkins that's THEM plasticbagUK really? michaelhilton now are we all going to sing swing low, sweet bittorrent? plasticbagUK hm. someone slightly more critical should be doing this. rather than Cory seanbonner throw iPacs at them plasticbagUK Cory who we adore, but is kind of on the same page todbot throw tupac tigoe joined the chat room. tigoe ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com tigoe freightoi hmmm, my iPac battery needs to be replaced. It wont store a charge anymore. Earthman We adore both of these guys, but we don't need to pay all this money to watch a love fest BigD we need that grumpy old MPAA guy dviner would be more interesting to have lessig and lawyer/marketer from RIAA or movie industry freightoi bring in weiner BigD on a couch even spaceboy are they gonna get naked now? cluster_fsck larry vs. charleton heston seanbonner sure we do plasticbagUK yeah agreed. Ewan_ Isn't this "Good Cop Good Cop?" seanbonner I'd pay to watch that plasticbagUK totally BigD boom chicka wow wow todbot wakka-wakka-chicka hahaha! plasticbagUK I mean I don't think we're looking for a knock-out fight michaelhilton lessing and RIAA stooge in a cage match seanbonner i'd pay for that too michaelhilton two go in, one comes out plasticbagUK but it would be good to have maybe another position represented a bit ryanco notes on lessig: http://asciiarmor.com/resources/l​essig.txt plasticbagUK sane voices dviner me too KevinMarks Radio Caroline & UK elections: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2002_08​_01_epeus_archive.html#85353606 seanbonner Lessig & Powell with knives freightoi big sticks comforteagle joined the chat room. comforteagle ~comfortea@CPE000f6636edec-CM0011ae9117a2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com comforteagle plasticbagUK That's a great position He's MUCH more nuanced cluster_fsck torpedo-equipped robotic geese vs. larry seanbonner big sticks with knives on them plasticbagUK than some of the positions we here from the EFF freightoi hmmm, this north south dichotomy is kinda creepy dviner hmm... didn't T.Jefferson argue in favor of "property" too ? plasticbagUK I mean basically "balance" is always a bit of a ludicrous notion implies equals and opposites freightoi not if it exists, mind you, but that he is using it as a metaphorical device for this debate BigD ethos plasticbagUK but a position with detail that transcends simplistic binaries gets PAST them seanbonner what if someone unleashed the robot dogs? plasticbagUK that's what I'm after todbot north/south is kinda freaky to me too, but the idea of property holders vs not is an interesting take on this. makes it a very old argument Earthman Ah, upgrade them to sniff out (c) plasticbagUK according to the EFF they bought VCRs so they could watch porn BigD this camera dude's got a HUGE lens plasticbagUK calm down. dviner info-hippie-nirvana spaceboy porn makes you free apparently Earthman hums the Avenue Q song plasticbagUK you'll get your turn. KevinMarks the US civil war was about the definition of "property" seanbonner Porn makes me free freightoi yeah, but the danger is the implicit understanding of the concept via the metaphor when in reality they are not the same thing tigoe left the chat room. tigoe ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0/20041107]" tigoe cybaea BigD: 200mm L-series high-aperture lens boardyb joined the chat room. boardyb ~boardy@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com boardyb plasticbagUK well, it makes us cheap, at least NelsonM joined the chat room. NelsonM ~nelson@adsl-63-194-75-26.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net NelsonM BigD wow! u can irc on the camera! freightoi Kevin: the civil war was also along time ago BigD without typing! cybaea BigD: No, I spoke to him on Monday evening :-) BigD heh dviner the screens should display the irc logs/chat instead of o'reilly image freightoi when you say south you just dont mean property rights. There is a load of cultural baggage that comes along NelsonM I can't believe he made that civil war metaphor work without being offensive. Impressive todbot yes, very deft Ewan_ It's argument number one, everyone use CC. BigD deft - nice word NelsonMinar joined the chat room. NelsonMinar ~nelson@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com NelsonMinar Ewan_ Do EFF have argument number two sorted out yet? NelsonM left the chat room. NelsonM ~nelson@adsl-63-194-75-26.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net Client Quit NelsonM NelsonMinar left the chat room. NelsonMinar ~nelson@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Remote closed the connection NelsonMinar BigD is an english major cacheop jack valenti is a moron KevinMarks rich moron seanbonner That camera guy must be zooming up Lessig's nose Earthman Quite an aspiration! cheesebikini key point there... NelsonM joined the chat room. NelsonM ~nelson@adsl-63-194-75-26.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net NelsonM plasticbagUK I'm increasingly uncomfortable about the idea of the EFF as standing up for us liberal technofuturists NelsonM curses the servers plasticbagUK five years ago I thought they were the vanguard NelsonM why, pasticbag? plasticbagUK but I think they've lost their way a bit sexygirl153 mm BigD i saw valenti speak at Educause a couple of years ago. He's a very charming fellow plasticbagUK I think they've wandered off into the wasteland a bit freightoi technofutureoxonomy AndyBaio nerdvana spaceboy were going to nivana? seanbonner EFFonomy Earthman That's inEFFable todbot nerdvananomy plasticbagUK YAY! PAULA! lobo nevada ChrisDodo as well as victories there will be painful painful defeats NelsonM I think it's good to have EFF out there, setting the ople. pole plasticbagUK I'm delighted that we have them I think they do great work seanbonner the camera man has a pole Earthman EFF++ plasticbagUK But I don't like the idea that they represent us freightoi cool stickers too Earthman Hats seanbonner is he paparatzi? NelsonM plasticbag - who else represents us? NelsonMinar joined the chat room. NelsonMinar ~nelson@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com NelsonMinar sexygirl153 flickratzi plasticbagUK well I think that's the point really TrevorFSmith plasticbagUK: I wish they would communicate a wider diversity of perspective, but they do get people talking about the right questions. plasticbagUK the community is now so diverse NelsonMinar ah, I see what you're saying seanbonner flickratzionomy todbot sexygirl: hahaha! MattJones robert kilroy-lessig? freightoi they do not represent us, they represent ideas plasticbagUK yes - a wider diversity of perspective is the thing I aspire towards yes - exactly and that's what they should do precisely paulm_ I feel like i'm in the Crystal Cathedral NelsonMinar plasticbag - and that's what you're doing at BBC, right? freightoi yup boardyb p-bag: but that could lead to divide and rule plasticbagUK but occasionally the rhetoric is that they're not representing an idea but they're bubble-up representatives of a tech futurist technology sexygirl153 sure plasticbagUK sorry - community not technology freightoi yeah, lets pick on the microsofties again. cheesebikini smack em one NelsonMinar plasticbag - confusing the map for the territory? njt joined the chat room. njt ~gnat@c-24-9-55-174.client.comcast.net njt plasticbagUK so EFF++ as almost like a tech community Union Earthman TunerFish spaceboy they have false conciousness and will be re-educated in the fields sexygirl153 micro$oft, fnarr fnarr rossm left the chat room. rossm ~Snak@h-69-3-15-157.sndacagl.covad.net "Oops. This machine just fell asleep" rossm NelsonMinar the problem is we don't have enough other organizations pushing for free culture plasticbagUK yes agreed boardyb i'm not a union man plasticbagUK and there aren't a lot of organisations in between trying to work out hybridised positions pixelcort joined the chat room. pixelcort ~pixelcort@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com pixelcort NelsonMinar is BBC one, plasticbag? tengi http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/ BigD honestly, i never gave a crap about free culture til i listened to lessig's book freightoi I want partial specialization for eff, like eff<ProtectMediaRights> plasticbagUK I don't know BigD it's not an easy argument plasticbagUK I couldn't speak for the BBC to be honest NelsonMinar fair enough BigD it's a good one, but u can't do it in a sound bite plasticbagUK The BBC is in one of these strange positions though You know we're not there to compete with industry KevinMarks the BBC speaks with many voices plasticbagUK We're absolutely not there to make industry redundant either KevinMarks which is part of the point of it NelsonMinar I just love that the BBC produces all this great content, but they're a public institution so can't keep that content totally proprietary freightoi we need to redefine derivative works and the ownership issues plasticbagUK we're there to meet needs that industry wouldn't natrually meet NelsonMinar the US doesn't really have an equivalent BigD PBS? KevinMarks The BBC is there to haver back and forth between the two> freightoi PBS is not really like that anymore NelsonMinar BigD - except for the "produces great content" part freightoi or perhaps never was BigD they have some awesome HD content KevinMarks PBS is a good fit for the net TrevorFSmith PBS creates great content, but not for entertainment. freightoi I thought it was no longer legal to use the term 'Cyber Space' njt NelsonMinar: Paula LeDieu would be a great person to talk to about this. She'll be on stage soon. NelsonMinar who produces This American Life? Is it PRI, or is it NPR? plasticbagUK so basically there are lots of things that the BBC can do and I think the creative archive stuff is really challenging and interesting and about carving open a future space for publically owned culture mr_austin PRI KevinMarks as they give stuff away and guilt people inot paying for it expressely to keep it free for others plasticbagUK Yeah - Paula is wonderful Any conversation you can have with her will be worthwhile ccoryell joined the chat room. ccoryell ~ccoryell@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com ccoryell plasticbagUK Paula +++++++ BigD i bought a Radio Shark just to grab this american life, car talk, and a prarie home companion Earthman http://codebook.jotspot.com/WikiHo​me plasticbagUK has a git of a crush bit not git freightoi I hope the BBC action will result in other folks opening up as well Earthman BigD, try iRecordStream (for Mac anyway) bkdelong How much was the Shark, BigD? Earthman iRecordMusic, I mean mr_austin or audio hijack BigD $70 pixelcort Beta licences, eh? mr_austin WBUR has a great QT stream BigD i'm shackled to Win... got 1000 desktops, had to standardize JeffC joined the chat room. JeffC ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com JeffC njt Nelson: This American life is PRI, according to their web site. Nelson: also, I used yahoo search to find their web site to punish you for not using the web :-) KevinMarks PRI redistributes BBC World service bkdelong Yeah...they have no plans to podcast as they have a contract with Audible NelsonMinar njt - ha1 dviner left the chat room. dviner ~daveviner@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) dviner BigD i dare anyone to go up the the mike and start singing "Wind Beneath My Wings" TrevorFSmith He's not listening to many mashups, then. BigD I pledge $10 joe_hughes left the chat room. joe_hughes ~hughes@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com joe_hughes KevinMarks mix that Pistols track about EMI seanbonner unlimited supply KevinMarks Ray of Gob was good todbot stroke stroke Ewan_ me throw up BigD "We're not worthy!!!" AndyBaio Mmm, tacos todbot hahahaaha AndyBaio I love that taco industry. tengi is anybody audio/video recording this? todbot American Taco & Taco Earthman I'd rather be here than in Philadelphia freightoi hmmm, we don't have good mexican in seattle TrevorFSmith tengi: The sound folks are. It will be on ITConversations at some point. karenL joined the chat room. karenL ~k@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com karenL njt tengi: It'll be on IT Conversations in a week or two, I think. seanbonner tengi - it's being filmed right in front of me by Mary Hodder tengi Cool! Thanks! seanbonner I'm guessing it will be up on Lisa Rein's radar later KevinMarks so we can remix them> Lessig dancce mix seanbonner Joi already made that cacheop cory and lessig singing 'my endless love"? alice joined the chat room. alice ~alice@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com alice dviner joined the chat room. dviner ~daveviner@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com dviner NelsonM left the chat room. NelsonM ~nelson@adsl-63-194-75-26.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net "Leaving" NelsonM NelsonMinar left the chat room. NelsonMinar ~nelson@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Remote closed the connection NelsonMinar seanbonner needs coffee is pro-taco taconomy plasticbagUK ooh - that's a classy idea cory/lessig + endless bd34r joined the chat room. bd34r ~bd34r@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com bd34r NelsonM joined the chat room. NelsonM ~nelson@adsl-63-194-75-26.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net NelsonM cacheop who wants to volunteer? NelsonMinar joined the chat room. NelsonMinar ~nelson@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com NelsonMinar TrevorFSmith We don't have enough closeups of them talking. NelsonMinar groans todbot raises hand mamamusings joined the chat room. mamamusings ~mamamusin@67-139-85-111.dsl1-pixley.roc.ny.frontiernet.net mamamusings jibot mamamusings is adult supervision seanbonner uh, the grown ups are here now mamamusings <sigh> seanbonner looks in mamamusings direction mamamusings jibot has forgotten all of my more redeeming characteristics KevinMarks ?def mamamusings mamamusings sticks out tongue jibot mamamusings is adult supervision & of enduring value & in Rochester, NY & blogs at http://mamamusings.net/ & a ruthless professor who calls it as it is & dancing on tables mamamusings ah, see? dancing on tables. so there. seanbonner ok freightoi can you use those words in legal briefs? seanbonner relaxes AndyBaio Anybody see the Boing Boing Butler? http://blog.monstuff.com/archives/​000235.html mamamusings is there a video feed for this talk? freightoi hmmmm, patents. interesting. TrevorFSmith mamamusings: not that I know of seanbonner will be TrevorFSmith Not live, anyway. seanbonner should be live within a week IT Conversations & Lisa Rein's Radar will have versions dviner pines for a mac Earthman Lessig is right re: software patents todbot poor dave, one day you'll get a mac. :) cybaea dvinner: The Apple store is a $2.25 tram ride away. freightoi :-| dviner cybaea: isn't not getting to the apple store that's my issue... it's the disposable $ to get one njt dviner: your glorious leaders won't spring for Powerbooks? todbot "conference expense" spaceboy in what way is having elections for a parliment "quote democratic"{ BigD do we get lunch today? pixelcort Friendly transition music. ** Earthman Transition Music-- NelsonMinar Do you suppose they've paid ASCAP fees for this music? rhayes joined the chat room. rhayes ~rhayes@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com rhayes NelsonMinar It's too good to be free todbot they should play the read-my-lips cilp again freightoi hrmmmm, I'm at a loss why there is a hard distinction in the minds of many between meat-space patents and software. pixelcort We're all going to be held liable by inducing them to play music and comit crimes. :O plasticbagUK JC Herz scares me a little wch2 joined the chat room. wch2 ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com wch2 dviner military etech... how to kill more people with open source spaceboy best title ever seanbonner scares me a lot lobo BigD: lunch - don't think so KevinMarks the European parliament has bizarre paneuropean voting rules todbot feral killbots want to be free AndyBaio GPL the Bomb spaceboy yeah, but voting distribution in parliments globally isn't a matter of thier being a right unweighted method against which all others can be mesured ChrisDodo the doors are now locked plasticbagUK I think "Feral Killbots want to be free" is my new slogan AndyBaio hahaha freightoi hrmmm, I have not heard the word "cognitive dissonance" since I worked at apple. todbot hehe bd34r feral killbots want to be expensive KevinMarks and the voting turnout for it makes americans look involved plasticbagUK I'm going to try and get that into the next BBC charter michaelhilton jc, is she a 55-Kilo Herz ? KevinMarks the BBC charter is all about cognitive dissonance Earthman resembles that remark todbot mega-herz cheesebikini send in the robogeese ChrisL_AK Some of you have won your very own frikkin lazer. check under your chair. KevinMarks Governmtnet funded but not controlled seanbonner did she say BOMBS? spaceboy teh edge freightoi robogesse on the edge spaceboy no HUMANITARIAN AID not bombs KevinMarks pt's laser jro joined the chat room. jro ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jro plasticbagUK ChrisL_AK: ROFLMAO pixelcort left the chat room. pixelcort ~pixelcort@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com pixelcort ChrisL_AK landscaping aid BigD ew, someone took my lazer and left a big wad o' gum seanbonner PT has the best frickin laser ever bd34r sat-torrent Earthman Oxymoron: Military Intelligence freightoi jumbo shrimp Earthman Friendly fire todbot of course she watches "24" michaelhilton the military is not like 24? cluster_fsck What?! 24 isn't real? ChrisL_AK damn I wish I hadn't enlisted now todbot clay watches buffy, JC watches 24 michaelhilton they dont spend all their time talking on phones while pointing guns at people? Ewan_ The Military are buying Flickr Ahhh plasticbagUK there's a movie in JC future technologist working with the military godammit! NelsonMinar but they're still all junkies todbot flickr.gov freightoi geo-tagging Earthman flickr.mil plasticbagUK I'm a TECHNOLOGIST, not a SOLDIER cacheop del.icio.us.mil seanbonner teh M1l1t4ry ChrisL_AK the anti-cultural bookmark manager KevinMarks JC is more like Alias freightoi 50% failure rate! werd spaceboy yes...we hope it doesn't blow up too todbot http://spacex.com/ mlinksva mal.icio.us seanbonner check out that facial expression! Ewan_ That'll be Titans and Deltas fron Vandenberg cacheop mil.itio.us freightoi cognitive dissonance, edge, fovea sexygirl153 left the chat room. sexygirl153 ~cal@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Connection timed out sexygirl153 seanbonner thanks for saving us from the clevage ChrisL_AK beware epileptic inducing ppt Ewan_ This slide is classified BigD FIRE!!! freightoi hmmm, I coulda dealt with the cleavage BigD like Shoot freightoi since when is a NN on a computer NOT an algorithm? spaceboy target aquired! cacheop how can you not stare at the yellow circle? ChrisDodo ah so this is for better cctv. great. AndyBaio Well, that's pretty neat. ChrisL_AK followed the kid on the skateboard and missed all the spies in the cars plasticbagUK that was pretty cool Earthman Smart jemstone no guys in uniforms this year plasticbagUK that'll make shooting people in the head with robots way easier Earthman The kid on the scooter is gonna die BigD kids are dangerous seanbonner yeah! Satilite robots! freightoi yeah, so now the enemy will just put up pictures of cleavage daveviner joined the chat room. daveviner ~daveviner@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com daveviner BigD please don't kill us. seanbonner the marine said remix spaceboy sir yes sir! freightoi think tank Earthman He's been to "camp" bd34r this guy is great!!!! NelsonMinar nothing's as campy as a marine todbot jc is a spy seanbonner what do they shoot out of think tanks? cluster_fsck think tank-tops njt "dude, the marine said `remix'. my head just exploded" tengi think TANK ChrisL_AK thinking tanks and frikkin lasers. we got it all seanbonner Robot Dogs vs. Think Tanks BigD i wonder if we can get him to say CF plasticbagUK snigger todbot "helo" mattb where's his feral killbot? ChrisDodo the next slide just says Scrumjax paulm_ anybody a url for the technology she described? seanbonner he IS the feral killbot jbond KangarooBot daveviner his feral killbot is classified jbond Boig Boing mlinksva kangaroos in .at! seanbonner borgboing plasticbagUK I wish it did have SCRUMJAX in it sky__ left the chat room. sky__ ~sky@1009host199.starwoodbroadband.com Success sky__ cluster_fsck warning: bad clipart alert KevinMarks don't let him give natalie ideas ChrisDodo it's gvt, they have to have painfully bad logos plasticbagUK can I just put out an appeal for people doing presentations today to put slides with SCRUMJAX on them into their pieces? I mean it's the future freightoi oh yeah, blame the software seanbonner sure, blame it on the software jinx freightoi heh plasticbagUK yeah the guy who wrote that got fired jbond Um Ariane was communist European tech. of course it failed daveviner rdf for the army? BigD couldn't that just be called a unit test? marksimpkins from a rocket Ewan_ We wouldn;t want to blame an Ameerican rocket KevinMarks fired in a rocket? ChrisDodo the guy who wrote that was put in the next rocket plasticbagUK yeah - should have used a shuttle - way safer ChrisDodo dammit, too many comedians seanbonner Fightsonomy mattb RDF graph! Ewan_ That's only went boom twice since 1978 jbond extreme rocket science freightoi well duh! everyone knows you don't use static objects! TrevorFSmith left the chat room. TrevorFSmith ~Snak@TrevorFSmith.student.supporter.pdpc TrevorFSmith seanbonner he saiid remix again Earthman I know John Seely Brown, I was a friend of John Seely Brown,...sir, you're no John Seely Brown!! Ewan_ ]No, its a French rocket - help them KevinMarks dynamic remixing? BigD he's on gmail wch2 left the chat room. wch2 ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0 StumbleUpon/1.9992/20050225]" wch2 BigD he's 133t todbot love JC's boots AndyBaio He sounds like a dada bot seanbonner Ewan - please, a FREEDOM rocket mlinksva what's this slide have to do with anything? spaceboy is he speaking english? jbond Taxonomy alert boardyb great we can all work to blow up satellites jbond wuh? Ewan_ Zott Alors M. Boner plasticbagUK these things are always slightly recruiting speches bd34r ?? AndyBaio Wha...? marksimpkins booommm jbond what was that all about? spaceboy don'taskdon'ttellonomy plasticbagUK which weirds me out a bit Ewan_ Skip? ChrisDodo and draws penises on them mattb wow, was that some content? plasticbagUK Come join this geek's army seanbonner what is this? My gadget is better than your gadget? bd34r i have a camera that takes fuzzy blurs instead of pictures (Treo 600) mattb phew, back to gimmick^wgadgets freightoi we dont have to work to blow up the sattelites. We just put bug in the code that controls the launch KevinMarks Your country needs YOU.. to make dynamic object maps TrevorFSm joined the chat room. TrevorFSm ~trevor@65.98.86.217 TrevorFSm jbond macro seanbonner I have a camera that squirts water instead of taking pictures spaceboy the planet is his raw material? now i'm really scared marksimpkins Survival Research Labs... BigD he's an MBA. we were tought to use the conference theme on all slides seanbonner that kid is the future AndyBaio VR! Where's Jaron Lanier when you need him? Ewan_ all of them nine years old ChrisL_AK they've been waiting for that robot girl NelsonMinar VRML is the future, Andy. freightoi put child in image -- BigD it's Ender! Mutiny morning folks! todbot the enemies base is down plasticbagUK haha jbond Pesce should be here KevinMarks I know where W industries are Earthman left the chat room. Earthman ~Earthman@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "Snak 4.13 IRC For Mac - http://www.snak.com" Earthman plasticbagUK Ender's a chick!? AndyBaio "It's Unix! I know this!" ChrisL_AK like a viewmaster plasticbagUK woyzer KevinMarks Petra BigD Alya ah seanbonner "capture" bd34r capture heh heh freightoi 4d? Minkowski or euclidian? plasticbagUK another robot cameraman I see jbond 4 stroke model: suck squeeze bang blow spaceboy feral robot capture seanbonner he said capture again tengi put it on a roomba imajes_ left the chat room. imajes_ ~james@imajes.growl imajes_ seanbonner capture the roomba ChrisL_AK wow Tron TrevorFSm Ok, that's cool. freightoi umm, NASA was doing this in the late 80's and they only needed one camera. alice levelers out of a job.. AndyBaio He's actually talking about something very cool. I expect someone will eventually do this for game mapping heh, alice freightoi of course, it required a spaceship to work alice car park quake! Mutiny there's a SRL guy at etech? seanbonner SNL? plasticbagUK This is pretty cool stefan_ joined the chat room. stefan_ ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com stefan_ NelsonMinar seen Enemy of the State? bd34r DMV is gonna love this BigD he's gonna solve the crime plasticbagUK how do they handle moving objects? ccoryell left the chat room. ccoryell ~ccoryell@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Connection timed out ccoryell KevinMarks This is the new video codec idea I've been handwaving about for years stefan_ this is bullshit bd34r meter maids with stereo optics NelsonMinar the intro scene where they track the guy is beautiful. stefan_ let's be honest JC ChrisDodo i love the digital dropout spaceboy oooooh seanbonner my camera takes photos in seconds njt andy: you're here at ETech? ChrisL_AK cool plasticbagUK this could be really neat michaelhilton this is pretty cool boardyb student digs? michaelhilton CSI type stff TrevorFSm The speed of that capture is the thing. spaceboy this is before the apartment got queereyed? michaelhilton stuff* MattJones WOW BigD that's kinda a neat look AndyBaio Yep. mr_austin wow++ plasticbagUK medium future - robo flies sent into hostage situations, creating real-time 3d maps of everything in the room paulm_ that's a pretty rundown appartment stefan_ the military-industrial complex is not about measuring bumpers or saving lives out in the field BigD deconstructed TrevorFSm It looks like a bomb hit. jbond Like the jaggies NelsonMinar plasticbag - have you been seeing my private messages? MattJones it's got a really spooky "uncanny valley" quality cheesebikini spaceboy++ mattb VRML? ChrisDodo it's like a bjork video todbot this will revolutionize game content creation plasticbagUK oops - sorry nelson. checking now stefan_ let's see all the really cool ways in which this stuff can be used to KILL people todbot always wanted to retexture quake with office ChrisDodo they can kill you, but you have to stand very still freightoi solution! more pixels! stefan_ i want to see people getting killed seanbonner it's all about the pixels BigD man, somone over here needs to stop eatinf sulpher spaceboy the world is my front end freightoi it will solve all our problems NelsonMinar keyhole! d'oh cacheop oops bkdelong left the chat room. bkdelong ~bkdelong@OCW-FL6.MIT.EDU bkdelong jbond Why do most US buildings feel like half life levels? seanbonner this is where it gets scary KevinMarks soo, hide the hide the murder weapon in the shadows freightoi hmmm, womens locker room? bd34r "every tree is correct" seanbonner nuget todbot 'hi-res nugget' spaceboy look! weapons of mass destruction! BigD keyhole is very cool plasticbagUK sweeeet seanbonner did he just slag macs? daveviner there's bin laden ! seanbonner KILL HIM!! stefan_ he said shooting ChrisL_AK everything's not hi-res. yet freightoi kill kill kill! Earthman joined the chat room. Earthman ~Earthman@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Earthman stefan_ that's more like it seanbonner "Excuse me, could you go more into the killing? cheesebikini send in the roombas stefan_ that was lame marksimpkins the military do not just kill people you know... freightoi yes, but will this help me get a clean headshot? AndyBaio They ran long marksimpkins oh stefan_ I wanted to see bloody burnt iraqi civilians marksimpkins sorry , yes they do. freightoi dr john rocks ChrisDodo http://www.360s.com/ ChrisL_AK no, they "interrogate" them too... jbond Ugh. BBC person alert dviner left the chat room. dviner ~daveviner@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Connection timed out dviner KevinMarks hi jbond - that was me you saw yesterday lobo hey - paula rules! jbond hi Kevin Must talk some time. Maybe too late now. freightoi bbc accents rule! BigD anyone wanna do an irc lunch? adamhill left the chat room. adamhill ~adamhill@c-24-23-83-155.client.comcast.net No route to host adamhill stefan_ yeah, tell us about the torture, jc plasticbagUK PAULA! WOOT mattb yay paula plasticbagUK She's from a land down under mattb honorary brit todbot bigd: yes KevinMarks is she leaning over thta mac to taunt the cleavage detector robot? plasticbagUK honorary ryanco food court on 4th floor of mall plasticbagUK eep! BigD the sushi deli 2 here is great plasticbagUK BAD KEVIN! stefan_ grump jseng joined the chat room. jseng ~jseng@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jseng jibot jseng is in singapore and blogs at http://james.seng.cc/ and is at etech plasticbagUK she's so awesome tengi g'day! daveviner are her slides gonna be online ? stefan_ we love paula freightoi ai mate KevinMarks BBCCC njt daveviner: for $5/download :) plasticbagUK > sigh < jbond beebieceebie plasticbagUK she's so dreamy NelsonMinar courier powerpoint is the new hip freightoi BBCCP cluster_fsck "by the messes, for the messes?" freightoi san serif bd34r a dingo's got my baby daughter jbond not enough Cs BBCCCP need a new slide alice slaps cluster_fsck around a bit with a large trout KevinMarks no passive but massive ChrisDodo http://tecfa.unige.ch/perso/staf/n​ova/blog/2005/03/17/using-ps2-pad-​to-control-missiles/ freightoi heh jbond she said prosumer... KevinMarks actually, I like Mess Media njt plasticbagUK: paula is, literally (well, nominally), a goddess. BigD join #etechlunch if you want to do something todbot jungle massive bo rodan joined the chat room. rodan ~rosenfeld@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com rodan Earthman Prosumr jseng prosumer is a nice term :-) mathowie joined the chat room. mathowie ~mathowie@216.240.152.74 mathowie jibot mathowie is matt haughey jbond pro sumr wrestling KevinMarks amducer cluster_fsck remix the messive media NelsonMinar hey matt, was that you runnign Larry's slides? freightoi medier stefan_ but as ugly an abuse of the language as 'folksonomy' jbond Joi was here? seanbonner nope AndyBaio No. ChrisL_AK not as bad as hillbilly hierarchy KevinMarks prosumer makes no sense NelsonMinar Joi was on the IRC channel jbond surprise KevinMarks Joi is in Amsterdam seanbonner joi on IRC? Never! ChrisL_AK talk about a minimalistic slide set freightoi "worry about the business model later" I LOVE THAT!!!! plasticbagUK she's so wonderful KevinMarks prevailingness njt ChrisL: is "hillbilly hierarchy" something you just coined? Cos it's beautiful. Topic changed to "Lunch planning on #etechlunch" by BigD. BigD BigD Lunch planning on #etechlunch stefan_ put it away, tom jbond BBC: The Difficult Years. ChrisL_AK njt: I must have heard it somewhere. I'm not a funny person. mathowie I posted a lofi (very low) audio grab of lessig's keynote http://junk.haughey.com/lessig-ke​ynote.mp3 freightoi I bet she listens to philip glass lobo stefan_++ sexygirl153 joined the chat room. sexygirl153 ~cal@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com sexygirl153 jibot sexygirl153 is a sexy girl NelsonMinar awesome mat mathowie I need to hack my iTalk to record at higher bitrates seanbonner matt - talk to PT he's here spaceboy jbond++ plasticbagUK stefan needs a punch and I'm going to smack him njt ChrisL: Google tells me it's original. You *rock*. Whom should I credit if I use that phrase? KevinMarks yay! jbond Woot! NelsonMinar "escaped" plasticbagUK oooooooh todbot dr. who? NelsonMinar I like the story that it was deliberately leaked stefan_ come on then coatse.tx AndyBaio Matt: http://www.themodgods.com/2005/03​/podshanking-physical-pod-on-pod.h​tm michaelhilton ./ said yesterday it was leaked freightoi Dr Who rewels stefan_ if you think you're hard enough KevinMarks THE FRICKEN' Telegraph reviewed it tengi we must "exterminate" the person who leaked it.... lobo Mmmm the Dr. spaceboy oooh bitchfight tengi not! ChrisL_AK njt: chris lott/chrislott.org - I get a cookie seanbonner send the feral roomas after then roombas njt ChrisL: here, have a free copy of Firefox Hacks :) AndyBaio She needs to read Slashdot. daveviner todbot: didn't you see that ? plasticbagUK seriously kids don't believe the crap about the BBC leaking it intentionally I can tell you for a fact that most of hte coverage around this area is bunk mr_austin where's the (legal) galactica torrent? RM is for the birds todbot nah, via BT stefan_ bbc just not that clueful DangerIsMyMiddle joined the chat room. DangerIsMyMiddle ~DangerIsM@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com DangerIsMyMiddle KevinMarks the BBC isn't intentional , but it has emergent intelligence njt plasticbagUK: bbc never does anything cool deliberately :) jbond Woot! NelsonMinar heh lobo Beeb! freightoi the information leaked via quantum tunneling sexygirl153 woooo! alice it was leaked by the canadians. njt BBC = distributed intelligence, collective conservatism freightoi feral roboducks ChrisDodo and...... the bbc micro division were reprimanded for making money seanbonner blame the french stefan_ grump grump grump KevinMarks I had BBc micro #200 plasticbagUK yes - njt is right BigD i had a trs80 model 1 KevinMarks it only worked if you kept an icepack on it's PSU plasticbagUK distributed intelligence but structures of nervousness would make it impossible to do stuff like that njt also, a BBC feral robot dingo ate my baby. plasticbagUK or at least do them easily jbond I turned my Beeb into an osbourne todbot http://tvtorrents.ws/ alice w00t daveviner suspect that most large orgs are like the bbc then nebby joined the chat room. nebby ~neb@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com nebby sexygirl153 nebble! plasticbagUK yes mathowie here's the lessig/doctorow q&a http://junk.haughey.com/lessig-qa​.mp3 KevinMarks it thinks it has plasticbagUK hee hee hee we've got loads of tv and radio shit DangerIsMyMiddle here comes the science bit KevinMarks used to work at Windmill Road, and saw how many of them had stopped playing freightoi science is cool DangerIsMyMiddle the BBC: We've Got Shedloads of Shit lobo lol KevinMarks but it was cool walking the stacks nebby is still waking seanbonner shitloads of shit DangerIsMyMiddle metric shitloads KevinMarks 'we have 10,000 episodes of Nationwide' plasticbagUK hahaha yeah - infinite uses for that jbond more shit than you can shake a stick at jemstone skateboarding ducks spaceboy now is the time for the mexican wave freightoi is the set of all shitloads in the set of all shitloads? Mutiny i think i'm still drunk from last night. jbond Shame they wiped those old tapes then seanbonner that's a lot of shit KevinMarks they didn't wipe all of them Earthman Shitloadplex seanbonner rip, mix, shit DangerIsMyMiddle twenty gazzilllion episodes of The Archers KevinMarks some of them the oxide just fell off jbond Does the set of all shit contain itself? ccoryell joined the chat room. ccoryell ~ccoryell@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com ccoryell njt "... and patents" KevinMarks UNiversal? DangerIsMyMiddle Paula! Paula! Paula! todbot but isn't all of their stuff still in realmedia? ChrisDodo realplayer? windows media? ;) KevinMarks they dropped th3e UK-only crap then? plasticbagUK :D :D:D :D:D :D:D :D stefan_ if only it were true plasticbagUK I told you she was awesome jemstone the mark thompson dg of the bbc speech: http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/​speeches/stories/bpv_thompson.shtm​l stefan_ we know that tom jbond beta++ njt "please remix So Graham Norton. please. if you can find a way to take Grham Norton out of it, all the better" seanbonner beta++++ DangerIsMyMiddle Gamma Zeta plasticbagUK smacks stefan down like the ex-boss and bitch he is lobo one step at a time - realplayer will disappear in time (crosses fingers) seanbonner p is for porn daveviner is anyone recording this? freightoi beta<beta> njt plasticbagUK: also, she has that hot Antipodean accent. daveviner i know some people who need to hear this. ryanco don't panic KevinMarks aha stefan_ did whatsit olivier write this speech? TrevorFSm aaaaah NelsonMinar "folksonomy" - everyone take a drink jbond folsonomy!!!! seanbonner lots of people are recording it zzgavin joined the chat room. zzgavin ~gavin@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com zzgavin TrevorFSm a kitten just dies plasticbagUK I'm SO DRUNK cheesebikini </folksonomy> Earthman Have they translated Wikipedia into Antipodean? MattJones frankboughsonomy lobo plastic: put is away dude ;oP KevinMarks heh jbond mattjones+ KevinMarks exactly DangerIsMyMiddle mattjones+++ stefan_ when my friend worked in a fetish gear shop jbond cokesonomy. MattJones vicandbobsonomy seanbonner fauxpen NelsonMinar so bbc is only going to distribute this media in the UK? freightoi can't we just get a post office box in the UK? stefan_ frnak bough was their biggest customer DangerIsMyMiddle Des Lynan NelsonMinar I'm confused spaceboy songsofpraiseononmy mattb folksodomy DangerIsMyMiddle all that's left is the rights knauer </*onomy> KevinMarks they'cve had a globe in their logo since 1960 BigD all good stories start with "when my friend worked in a fetish gear shop" cheesebikini not for the bloody irish MattJones "Some Mothers Do Tag 'Em" freightoi so they distribute it in the UK and someone else is then free to ship it off the island cacheop fucksonomy BigD heh, i just remixed spaceboy mattjons++ DangerIsMyMiddle nation shall speak peace unto nation (apart from those without a licensing framework) lobo MattJones++ seanbonner share your shit freightoi steve jobs should be here jbond sharing good. not sharing bad cybaea "Encryption, subscription and other forms of digital exclusion lead to widespread welfare losses." - http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/​speeches/stories/bpv_thompson.shtm​l plasticbagUK he should be seanbonner iFabricate plasticbagUK that would be cool KevinMarks They need to hack the World service remit freightoi iRealityDistortionField KevinMarks get the FO budget to sort the overseas aspect marksimpkins British Broadband Community BigD he could bring some spare iPod batteries plasticbagUK You know what - the BBC fucking 0wnz0rs this conference we rock AndyBaio Marmots jbond marmots++ plasticbagUK does a little dance mr_austin bbc++ DangerIsMyMiddle Gentleman! To! The! Torrents! mattb go bbc NelsonMinar that was good mattb go team nebby a talk that really mattered! seanbonner nice marmot AndyBaio cbs++ no, wait NelsonMinar how do I become British? freightoi ok, never before in my life have I heard fibonacci mentioned twice in a conference. seanbonner behind++ BigD where's a real american network? like FOX! KevinMarks you coudl marry Tom stefan_ ah. glad to see you in bbc patriotic mode for a change tom plasticbagUK So you see how it all fits together!? MattJones There is a better 3-lettered British Cutlural instiution: The KLF njt Nelson: marry a queen Nelson: I'm sorry, *the* Queen. seanbonner NelsonM: you can sign up online NelsonMinar but, but, I *am* a queen plasticbagUK social stuff, programme information ,distribution channels, creative archive stefan_ is gonna rock ya MattJones The Fox Creative Archive KevinMarks read it? I wrote it NelsonMinar man, I don't have enough shots to keep up with this talk BigD mary a king then? todbot chris anderson's long tail daveviner oreilly should invite fox next time. seanbonner LONG TAIL MattJones IT'S A LONG TAIL AAAAAFTER ALL IT'S A LONG TAIL AAAAAFTER ALL IT'S LONG TAIL AFF-TER ALL DangerIsMyMiddle The Long Tail - the millions of people who've never read "The Long Tail" cacheop because you were not at this conference http://www.mscs.dal.ca/Fibonacci/​tenth.html plasticbagUK YES IT IS bd34r oh thanks alot njt MattJones: I (heart) KLF cluster_fsck crap...I had my long tail removed at birth bd34r now i have that tune in my head DangerIsMyMiddle Ah, Mr Anderson nebby the long tail comes after the long now? freightoi are the germans offended by this talk of the long tail? AndyBaio hah MattJones IT'S A LONG TAIL AAAAAFTER ALL marksimpkins Ancients of Mu Mu ryanco courier cluster_fsck more courier! cybaea More Courier njt daveviner:i planted the seed with rael to invite the major media companies to send peole to attend. etdano joined the chat room. etdano ~dano@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com etdano cheesebikini red! KevinMarks redd courier jbond they're justified and they're ancient MattJones FUCKING MONOSPACED BARBARIANS Knekk is it open bar at Etech today? Kinda early no? jbond kick out the JAMs MattJones are they afraid to Kern? BigD too many people here already DangerIsMyMiddle leading! freightoi the economist rules!!!! daveviner njt: i think that would be facinating for next time.. KevinMarks how about letterspacing hober left the chat room. hober ~ted@ip68-8-6-223.sd.sd.cox.net "nil" hober stefan_ grump grump grump jbond courier is the new helvetica njt justified ancients of paula ledieu Earthman mono a mono stefan_ see you all later bd34r There ought to be a Long Tail font with superlong serifs at the bottom of each character ChrisL_AK someone needs to perform a couri-otomy todbot totally wants to go to that fibonacci conference mamamusings left the chat room. mamamusings ~mamamusin@67-139-85-111.dsl1-pixley.roc.ny.frontiernet.net mamamusings nebby "kerning opresses the free" Earthman todbot++ It might spiral out of control, though DangerIsMyMiddle fucking power laws MattJones fight the powerlaw plasticbagUK shit - what's that graph?! mattb a powerlaw, at etech? plasticbagUK that's insane!? mattb shakes head in wonder plasticbagUK some kind of law of powers? NelsonMinar finally, someone defines power law correctly KevinMarks thats mine plasticbagUK he turned it upsoide down! DangerIsMyMiddle there must be a power law of power laws in etech presentations plasticbagUK clever! njt plasticbagUK: law of super powers. cybaea That's not semi-log? etdano got a link to a photo of the graph? nebby the golden power law KevinMarks it's log log cheesebikini havent heard "scale free networks" yet freightoi encumbered access cheesebikini savagely truncated!!! jbond savagely noidfish http://flickr.com/photos/blackbelt​jones/6730176/ DangerIsMyMiddle Savagely Truncated - the Band knauer it's the salamander tail todbot my long tail! njt we have a scarcity problem: there's not enough scarcity KevinMarks http://homepage.mac.com/kevinmarks​/powerlaws.html jbond damn scarcity thinking. It'll be the end of us. NelsonMinar I thought the problem was most movies sucked freightoi scarcity<scarcity> DangerIsMyMiddle a scarcity of scarcity. nasty freightoi "my tail is longer than your tail" DangerIsMyMiddle people on the end of the long tail are FREAKS. FREAKS I TELL YOU ChrisL_AK it's a paucity of scarcity jbond wants to see some analysis of the laws around the rhs of the power law curve freightoi "because people did not know how to integrate" DangerIsMyMiddle THEIR TASTES ARE ABNORMAL plasticbagUK I want to see Constantine etdano the theory of infinite shelf space at the same cost as any other shelf space plasticbagUK That's going to be a good show er. movie marksimpkins Constantine? Earthman That's so derivative ccoryell "most of the worlds problems arise from a failure to understand exponential functions" jbond there's frikkin commies in the long tail freightoi hmmm, long tail penetration cybaea U+027D : Latin small letter R with tail :-) - http://www.myfonts.com/unicode/02​7d/ jbond ccoryell++ mr_austin mmm... white on white freightoi from a print guy. hmmm DangerIsMyMiddle from a Wired guy ChrisL_AK yay excel default chart #2323023230432 ccoryell thats joel spolskys graph! TrevorFSm left the chat room. TrevorFSm ~trevor@65.98.86.217 "TrevorFSm has no reason" TrevorFSm plasticbagUK yeah - the non pretty one where's the gradient fill he stole joel's graph DAMN YOU LONG TAIL GUY seanbonner no, he remixed it NelsonMinar wow, lots of courier njt "on the left of the graph we have the popular, cool, right-thinking just people. the further to the right we go, the more distorted and dysfunctional the personality becomes, and occurrences of deviancy and abnormality increase sharply. I propose we shave this tail, herd the freaks and `beatniks' into trailers, and ship them to reprogramming camps at NBC headquarters, New York." jbond I'll Get You, Long Tail Guy! DangerIsMyMiddle njt+++++ MattJones http://www.flickr.com/photos/black​beltjones/6730176/ etdano flickr is way slow\ plasticbagUK So look seanbonner Very plasticbagUK The most important thing is how I get one of those neat O'Reilly bags TrevorFSmith joined the chat room. TrevorFSmith ~Snak@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com TrevorFSmith jibot TrevorFSmith is available in digital form at http://trevor.smith.name/ and a photo mapping fool and not magical DangerIsMyMiddle who the fuck ranks toothpaste? freightoi upc tagging plasticbagUK For people who came to the PIPs presentation yesterday - look at that slide in front of you now mr_austin not true. you can tell a lot by shelf placement plasticbagUK and concentrate seanbonner toothpasteonomy DangerIsMyMiddle and the pretty box cheesebikini not just courier... DISTRESSED courier freightoi mr_au: yeah, you can tell which companies paid for it. Earthman Dentifricial ccoryell I am not a consumer, damn it and this is not my paradise! wch2 joined the chat room. wch2 ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com wch2 mr_austin yeah, but still, mostly the popular stuff (cornflakes) is out of the eye line not the best daata, but it's something jbond No. It's a gangsta's paadise DangerIsMyMiddle phenomenon do dooo do do do todbot not google, GoTo! nebby vice city jbond adsense sucks KevinMarks cafepress ChrisL_AK enough enough, mommy make the long tail stop now nebby pats Todbot. Earthman Yeah, the long tail of T-shirts bd34r capital one: snail mail spam DangerIsMyMiddle so, the long tail is just stocking a shedload of stuff miker joined the chat room. miker ~miker@66-117-146-194.rdsl.lmi.net miker jibot miker is not a government bot sent to incriminate us and Mike Rowehl and a hacker and blogs at http://www.bitsplitter.net/blog/ jbond new slide please seanbonner watch it or you'll get smacked by the long tail plasticbagUK So this is basically just a long tail retread right? ChrisL_AK everything's a long tail now-- the old have a hammer everything looks like a nail syndrome KevinMarks no, it's making breakeven work for a smaller number of goods todbot the long nail cheesebikini new slide: http://joi.typepad.com/photos/ete​ch2004/photo_library_3255.html jbond Nope. Everything is a folsonomy now Earthman Long snail ChrisL_AK I need a hit of the bong tail or something bd34r if you have a hammer, everything looks like a tail seanbonner the Long Tail: You think this shit is important, but there's tons more shit over here that's way more important spaceboy left the chat room. spaceboy ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) spaceboy KevinMarks I did the long tail of tags yesterday seanbonner million billion? JimH_ joined the chat room. JimH_ ~JimH@optbom1.uk.access.vodafone.net JimH_ nebby when you see the long tail in the sky, it means that the gods will send a plague of national debt todbot if you have a rocking chair, everything looks like a tail etdano left the chat room. etdano ~dano@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com etdano ChrisDodo surely with all the fab stuff atoms will not be a problem either ChrisL_AK I think I'll call it a "million billion" JimH_ is now known as JimH_Taco. JimH_Taco JimH_ JimH_ jibot JimH_Taco is in Whitstable, Kent, UK and blogs at http://feetup.org/blog seanbonner in the 80 jbond remember kids. Crocodiles have long tails too. Earthman Hale Bopp seanbonner in the 80's I had a long tail cybaea Buy your official ETech fonts here: http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/lino​type/typo-american/ freightoi so the british are thinking million million million and the americans are thinking Carl Sagan iTunes = Acid - Sonic Foundry MattJones Hey Earthman - I LOVED that Hanson song tengi billions and billions of Carl Sagens ChrisL_AK mmmm bopp bopp DangerIsMyMiddle one man's crap is another man's gems jbond The real problem is convincing salesmen of the long tail. They always want a smaller number of bigger deals. KevinMarks http://epeus.blogspot.com/ long tail of tags cheesebikini http://images.rottentomatoes.com/i​mages/movie/coverv/35/117835.jpg plasticbagUK hey that reminds me todbot also problem to convince 'consumers' that they shouldn't be lemmings mr_austin cybea: i think he said it was p22 typewriter plasticbagUK does anyone have Neo Sans or Neo Tech fonts? DangerIsMyMiddle jbond - right. sometimes it's just not worth the bother freightoi we need feral robo salesducks that serve the tail Earthman Does Brittany have a long tail? plasticbagUK I want to try one of them out for something but can't find a demo online comforteagle is now known as comforteagle_wor. comforteagle_wor comforteagle comforteagle TrevorFSmith jbond: most long tail ventures don't have sales people nebby Enter the Tail tengi brittany speares with a tal? plasticbagUK Ooh - interesting public service stuff here KevinMarks jbond: http://mediagora.com NelsonMinar pink?! jbond trevor: good point. They have channel managers tengi s/tal/tail/ plasticbagUK this is music discovery ChrisL_AK the long tail is about not needing salesmen or saleswomen DangerIsMyMiddle ScrumJax jbond last.fm++ cybaea mr_austin: OK - here then http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/ihof​/p22-typewriter/ Same price :-) Earthman Selector++ DangerIsMyMiddle this is sooooo ScrumJax ChrisDodo selecter is so not end of tail njt oh, that's so making it into chris anderson's book. you know how business books create labels for groups of people (always in 3s, 4s, or 7s). "a crocodile is a long tail with sharp teeth", etc. jbond she's much, much much too young seanbonner has Selector records cheesebikini riaa thinks lastfm++ too Earthman If you've heard of it, it's not in the Long Tail jbond she should be going out and she should be having fun AndyBaio No, the end of the tail are the unsigned local bands that are inspired by No Doubt, or that inspired Selecter. cybaea I just didn't think his 'A's looked that distorted mr_austin long tail of typewriter fonts mlinksva i don't understand why recommendations would necessarily drive demand down the tail rather than up the neck njt "a ron jeremy is a long tail with a money shot." nebby this is sounding messy deckhand joined the chat room. deckhand ~dano@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com deckhand comforteagle_wor left the chat room. comforteagle_wor ~comfortea@CPE000f6636edec-CM0011ae9117a2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com Client Quit comforteagle_wor seanbonner njt: that's no tail! KevinMarks well, it depends if the overall market grows or not bd34r left the chat room. bd34r ~bd34r@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Remote closed the connection bd34r ChrisDodo recommendations recommend popular stuff. njt "a chimp is a long tail that throws poop", etc. sexygirl153 left the chat room. sexygirl153 ~cal@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Connection timed out sexygirl153 nebby frontail freightoi mlink: most recommendation systems punsih popularity because you probably already know about it AndyBaio Looks like movies from mid-1997 are still popular wwiill joined the chat room. wwiill ~wwiill@pcp09145596pcs.nmexav01.dc.comcast.net wwiill seanbonner a cat is a long tail that sleeps termie mlinksva: because everybody has already had the things up the neck recommended to them by advertising plasticbagUK mjinksva - I don't think it necessarily does, BUT I think it creates opportunity to do so and that actually members of hte public do want that kind of stuff - they want to find ways of digging deeper mlinksva i've never seen a recommendation system that doesn't primarily recommend stuff that i already know about Earthman A snake is a long tail that slithers boardyb britney fans shouldn't be allowed to be selector... KevinMarks what you want is (my mates stuff - popular stuff) njt sean: or a cat is a long tail you're allergic to :) jbond most recommendation systems don't have enough random serendipity freightoi heh jbond which is why I like lastfm AndyBaio Audioscrobbler does a good job of that plasticbagUK yeah - but that's cos companies are currently looking to make screen real-estate bring back the most revenue Earthman last.fm++ mattb audioscrobbler has the advantage of sampling all your behaviour AndyBaio lastfm == audioscrobbler mattb not waiting for you to rate stuff AndyBaio As far as recommendations go, anyway todbot cofeeee mattb so they can find the disjunct between things you listen to and things you should be recommended plasticbagUK it's not necessarily how it will be in the longer term - in the end the recommendation systems that create the most options for investigation and bring back things that people are interestsed in will win seanbonner wonky plasticbagUK the companies that handle that navigation stuff well will win termie mlinksva: than you aren't far enough down the tail ;) seanbonner the blog long tail KevinMarks audioscrobbler doesn't work for me cos all the stuff I listen too is so obscure they can't find anyone else to correlate with freightoi cuz when you go to sell your company and they ask you about your algorithm and you say the word serindipity they hear "my algorithm often does stuff I don't understand" seanbonner is very far down the tail DangerIsMyMiddle Further Down the Tail Then You njt ah, so the individual media items are fleas that can move from the tail to the head. Big1 joined the chat room. Big1 ~declan@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Big1 plasticbagUK SHIT. Something happened on the screen and I missed it mlinksva oh i'm really really far down the tail when it comes to entertainment plasticbagUK and it's interesting can someone summaries summarise? Earthman Minitail??? jbond minitail==miniluv njt "stumps" DangerIsMyMiddle from France freightoi billion and billion seanbonner billions and billions freightoi s Earthman Remix the tail Retail freightoi jinx ccoryell summary: niches have their own popular content. cacheop are long tails fractals? plasticbagUK okey thanks seanbonner does the tail wag the dog? ChrisL_AK fractails deckhand anyone heard of LB27? cheesebikini http://www.horsedriver.com/cart/mi​ni/mini%20tail%20wrap.jpg NelsonMinar I think this long tail metaphor doesn't work when you get specific termie sighs at everybody's competition to be more obscure jbond yes. long tails are fractal cybaea fractails? freightoi fractailonomies seanbonner Fraggles? KevinMarks of course they are fractal duh go rad mandelbrot again Mutiny left the chat room. Mutiny ~pppp@ip68-8-79-122.sd.sd.cox.net "Leaving" Mutiny ChrisDodo this is the evil part jbond but not infinitely fractal. Eventually you get to atomic units deckhand How about Rodirigo Dec? KevinMarks yes, you hit a quantum limit nebby the fibonacci fractal powerlaw tail TrevorFSmith how many dimensions, then? deckhand Red Delicious? Ernesto Cortezar? Earthman Stuff nobody will ever care about ccoryell amazon sort of raises prices: the good obscure shit costs real money, the crap obscure shit is typically free (used books) cacheop fibonacci? again? Earthman The irrelevancy horizon jbond anone else use allofmp3? deckhand hmm... no ones heard of those artists... wonder why? AndyBaio I've used it, yeah. ChrisL_AK didn't they just get the big smackdown KevinMarks no, you just get down to stuff that has 1 user deckhand and no one cares michaelhilton left the chat room. michaelhilton ~michaelhi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com michaelhilton freightoi hmm, its amway! jbond eventually everyone will have an audience of one. stefan_ left the chat room. stefan_ ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Connection timed out stefan_ ChrisL_AK only the people at or moving to the top of the tail act like the long tail is the place to be. If it were, Emusic would be iTunes not-- well-- emusic Ewan_ jbond: user here KevinMarks actually 80% have an audience of 0 jbond ewan: ? daveviner left the chat room. daveviner ~daveviner@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Connection timed out daveviner seanbonner pissed off his audience of 1 and they stopped reading DangerIsMyMiddle On the internet, everyone is famous for fifteen people Earthman Kevin, that's what I meant by the irrelvancy horizon NelsonMinar I like the central point - more distributed media makes it easier to reach lots of small audiecnes. Cool. But how deep is this idea? Ewan_ allofmp3 got a letter saying, yes you;re in a loophole - we can;t touch you says russian judge nebby Let a Thousand Amways Bloom AndyBaio He's starting to freak out because he's running out of time DangerIsMyMiddle Ewan - and then ten Russian judges somehow got iPods in the post AndyBaio He's turning into the "Micro Machines" guy NelsonMinar long tail of slides nebby will he explode at the end? Earthman He said "finally" ccoryell charging more != more revenue jbond wants to see an allofmp3 with every bit of commercial music ever released Ewan_ Hammersley, AND A HORSES HEAD seanbonner everyone start humming the jeprody theme KevinMarks gotcha, adam NelsonM left the chat room. NelsonM ~nelson@adsl-63-194-75-26.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net Remote closed the connection NelsonM NelsonMinar left the chat room. NelsonMinar ~nelson@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Remote closed the connection NelsonMinar ChrisL_AK this is really stretching this one little idea thiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnn MattJones my bum hurts marksimpkins but clay said 'there is no shelf' DangerIsMyMiddle he has to write a 300 page book on this termie moore's law or steam... those seem so thoroughly related cheesebikini scale tail mathowie wow, flickr flash isn't loading images at all for me, but the jpegs show up fine DangerIsMyMiddle poor poor bastard jbond my bum hurts too. can we stand up and have group aerobics? mlinksva who said moore's law scales forever? termie couldn't he have come up with some other neat dude's name? seanbonner tailonomy Earthman The long tail is uncomfortable when you sit on it for too long deckhand what happens when only 1% of the content you store on your infinite shelf gets used and you have to carry around the other 99%? Backups, archives, indexing, database tables, etc... cybaea jbond: That would really confuse the speaker :-) daveviner joined the chat room. daveviner ~daveviner@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com daveviner mathowie is flickr's image stream in flash affected by the network type here? cheesebikini some rather like that deckhand does the revenue generated on the 1% support the 99% termie ?def deckhand jibot Nobody has defined deckhand yet Earthman OMG njt tailcasting! the long wiki! podtailing! Earthman thelongtail.com??? jbond remixing hype words cluster_fsck left the chat room. cluster_fsck ~cgervais@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com cluster_fsck seanbonner throw me a peanut!!!! ChrisL_AK this is the future culture we are working so hard for pixelcort joined the chat room. pixelcort ~pixelcort@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com pixelcort DangerIsMyMiddle podxonomy njt earthman: actually there's also .net, .org, and one in each top-level country domain, each serving different audiences. todbot ow, slap! TrevorFSmith Ouch nebby tailcasting sounds like a bar-based activity lobo need a marshmallow gun Big1 they don't do a good job of introducing the speakers - esp on the couch sessions seanbonner potatogun spaceboy joined the chat room. spaceboy ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com spaceboy cheesebikini thank god my powerbook overheats cuz its freezing in here ChrisL_AK but podtailing is what happens when the beer goggles get dark pixelcort Are there any BoF slots still available today? DangerIsMyMiddle spudgun AndyBaio ?def scrumjax jibot Nobody has defined scrumjax yet seanbonner is going home today TrevorFSmith That's Chris Anderson and Joe Kraus DangerIsMyMiddle Scrümjax todbot agile scrumjax alice my long tail is completely numb. DangerIsMyMiddle Agile Scrumjax Refactored cybaea pixelcort: No BOF on the last day ? cacheop birds flew home already pixelcort cybaea: Darn. seanbonner what does it take to get a piece of long tail? jbond heard all this. How do we move the discussion on? same problem with the damn tags nebby Pairwise Scrumjax Refactored ChrisDodo scrumjax spam: http://tsunami-photos.dailyreview​s.net/dictionaries.html nebby he mentioned Overture, Todbot! cybaea pixelcort: What did you want to talk about? todbot yay! pixelcort I was going to do one on "Bandwidth Scalability and Decentralized Solutions" cheesebikini scrumpodtail cast todbot finally getting a bit o' cred DangerIsMyMiddle I can feel a paradigm changing termie drinking game, shots whenever anybody says power law freightoi inflection point! DangerIsMyMiddle shall we monetise these eyeballs sexygirl153 joined the chat room. sexygirl153 ~cal@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com sexygirl153 jbond I can hear a paradigm being violated jibot sexygirl153 is a sexy girl crysflame termie++ mlinksva did someone just play a harmonica? seanbonner paradigmonomy crysflame termie: that's what i think *Every time* i hear "power law" now freightoi BS bingo! crysflame "drink" "drink" seanbonner that was someone's clever ringtone pixelcort cybea: Bandwidth Scalability and Decentralized Solutions AndyBaio ChrisDodo: There's an IE exploit on that spam page ChrisDodo bah KevinMarks Drink! Gurrls! DangerIsMyMiddle Satisfy my Niches, baby termie mlinksva: I *have* a harmonica... wch2 left the chat room. wch2 ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0 StumbleUpon/1.9992/20050225]" wch2 ChrisL_AK they need to incentivize the parallel distributory actions on the tail pixelcort Darn, I can't type. cheesebikini dont make me monetize your long tail todbot time to Get Small seanbonner chickens JimH_Taco ?def is on the train home with a beer jibot I need at least 3 words with an 'is' in the middle KevinMarks ChrisL_AK: http://mediagora.com plasticbagUK Wow I have never needed to pee more in my life pixelcort cybaea: Sorry. lobo thinking small to get big... AndyBaio plasticbag: LOTR screening jbond plastic. So get up and walk out plasticbagUK hm. maybe. AndyBaio I thought I would die. plasticbagUK I can't. Trapped. jbond try screaming AndyBaio Marc Canter on one side? lpqboy Eh, just let it go, man! AndyBaio j/k, Marc! cybaea pixelcort: :-) I think lots of people are staying for a day or two, so you could try to arrange something in a bar... DangerIsMyMiddle let it run free plasticbagUK coughs! cheesebikini ach... he said monetize plasticbagUK okay - I'll piee on biddulph cacheop wrong tail seanbonner plasticbagUK: just yell and run out, we'll follow DangerIsMyMiddle remix plasticbagUK haha I'll cope for a minute DangerIsMyMiddle waterfalls cheesebikini dimp gel paulm_ left the chat room. paulm_ ~paulm@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) paulm_ spaceboy you'll pee on bidulph? DangerIsMyMiddle hose pipes mattb noooooooooo DangerIsMyMiddle rain njt my ass is dead to the world. i may not be able to walk out of here. mattb shifts uncomfortably in his seat jbond Really man, just stop typing and climb out DangerIsMyMiddle lots of rain mattb yellow rain... plasticbagUK STOP IT. nah - s'fine I'll be all calm :D DangerIsMyMiddle splash seanbonner yellow snow plasticbagUK back in a bit pixelcort cybaea: No, go, not 21 yet. grepawk joined the chat room. grepawk ~marstein@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com grepawk TrevorFSmith "addicted to revenue" nebby might as well face it... cybaea pixelcort: Ah, well. Next year, perhaps :-) ChrisDodo can we plug our sites a little bit more please? chrisspurgeon joined the chat room. chrisspurgeon ~chrisspur@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com chrisspurgeon TrevorFSmith Jot-what? What-Spot? plasticbagUK http://www.plasticbag.org ChrisL_AK addicted to niche revenue marksimpkins wikispot plasticbagUK best. weblog. ever. TrevorFSmith what-what? seanbonner ?def seanbonner jibot seanbonner is in Los Angeles, CA & can be found at http://www.seanbonner.com & likes gadgets & blogs & lemonade & is one of the dudes behind metroblogging & bloggers without borders nebby you're peeing URLs! KevinMarks ?shirt plasticbagUK jibot Weblogs will fact-check plasticbagUK's ... http://www.cafeshops.com/mirandab​log.6314725 AndyBaio Chris Anderson registered thelongtail.com in September 2004, three months before the Wired article was released plasticbagUK :D sexygirl153 flickr.com flcikr.com sdfrokds,. x/, vvl v a;gr e DangerIsMyMiddle Companies are Soylent Green sexygirl153 typing is too ahrd jbond we eat companies You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. jibot cheesebikini is Sean Savage and a Berkeley grad student who named flash mobs flash mobs and is busy neglecting his site cheesebikini.com. noidfish left the chat room. noidfish ~paul@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com noidfish daveviner left the chat room. daveviner ~daveviner@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Connection timed out daveviner Mutiny joined the chat room. 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NiallKennedy ~NiallKenn@m206-184.dsl.tsoft.com NiallKennedy michaelhilton joined the chat room. michaelhilton ~michaelhi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com michaelhilton cybaea B: Talk started freightoi hmm, waiting for talk in C to start pixelcort joined the chat room. pixelcort ~pixelcort@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com pixelcort freightoi talk in C starting now ChrisL_AK_ joined the chat room. ChrisL_AK_ ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com ChrisL_AK_ cybaea B: "There *is* a trick. There is one trick you need to do in order to get VC funding, and I will tell you what it is." B: VC funding for frogs!! AndyBaio joined the chat room. AndyBaio ~spam@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com AndyBaio JeffC joined the chat room. JeffC ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com JeffC cacheop joined the chat room. cacheop ~alba@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com cacheop chrisspurgeon joined the chat room. chrisspurgeon ~chrisspur@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com chrisspurgeon alice joined the chat room. alice ~alice@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com alice chrisspurgeon test mattb joined the chat room. mattb ~mattb@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com mattb freightoi pong cybaea B: I love the idea where the slide presentaion is just pictures... B: No Courier font, just images mlinksva joined the chat room. mlinksva ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com mlinksva boardyb joined the chat room. boardyb ~boardy@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com boardyb cacheop i hope he posts the presentation on the web later BigD joined the chat room. BigD ~declan@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com BigD DangerIsMyMiddle joined the chat room. DangerIsMyMiddle ~DangerIsM@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com DangerIsMyMiddle Mutiny what's the trick?! chrisspurgeon Yes, great idea. cacheop words! cybaea We don't know yet :-) lobo_ joined the chat room. lobo_ ~a@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com lobo_ noidfish joined the chat room. noidfish ~paul@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com noidfish chrisspurgeon No trick, just a change from the dulling bullet point style tengi joined the chat room. tengi ~tengi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com tengi jibot tengi is Chris Tengi and a SysAdmin in the Princeton University CS Department TrevorFSm joined the chat room. TrevorFSm ~trevor@65.98.86.217 TrevorFSm mr_austin joined the chat room. mr_austin ~austin@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com mr_austin sexygirl153 joined the chat room. sexygirl153 ~cal@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com sexygirl153 jibot sexygirl153 is a sexy girl cacheop good picture to represent nothing sexygirl153 heyhey Berserk anyone here planning on going to Evan's talk today ? http://conferences.oreillynet.co​m/cs/et2005/view/e_sess/7067 cybaea cacheop: Big Bang? B: The entrepreneur is God. dviner joined the chat room. dviner ~daveviner@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com dviner todbot joined the chat room. todbot ~tod@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com todbot jibot todbot is not a bot and Tod E. Kurt, at http://todbot.com/ . Once a Yahoo (via GoTo.com), now a space probe nerd. sexygirl153 anyone in room c? any good? Ewan_ joined the chat room. Ewan_ ~Ewan_@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Ewan_ TrevorFSm sexygirl153 : I'm in C. It's not bad. jibot Ewan_ is the guy sitting next to me & Scottish, & has a tame(ish) Crow. & definitely scottish & blogs at http://ewan.symbiandiaries.com/ & is now back & living in Edinburgh BigD left the chat room. BigD ~declan@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com BigD BigD joined the chat room. BigD ~declan@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com BigD mikez joined the chat room. mikez ~mm@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com mikez danyel joined the chat room. danyel ~danyelf@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com danyel freightoi still waiting for the talk in C to move away from the sales pitch and into the beef DangerIsMyMiddle freightoi - the Ask Jeeves one? freightoi yeah tengi babysitting at 12KM was amusing jemstone joined the chat room. jemstone ~jemstone@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jemstone DangerIsMyMiddle aye - it's a bit pants right now danyel enjoying talk in A ( tor.eff.org ) mikez C: hacking the hardware :-> wifi is basis TrevorFSm The talk in C is remixing the network, no? chrisspurgeon yes tengi yes cacheop C = http://conferences.oreillynet.com​/cs/et2005/view/e_sess/6328 mikez c: i.e. linksys ChrisDodo joined the chat room. ChrisDodo ~ChrisDodo@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com ChrisDodo todbot mass commodeitization jro joined the chat room. jro ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jro TrevorFSm C is freezing cold. Bbrrr. mikez c: wrt54g has hardware of a 93 Sun Indy tengi s/sun/sgi/ sexygirl153 i have a pair of those - anything cool to do with them? cacheop a router? ChrisDodo you can put 3rd party firmwares on TrevorFSm C: Yech. Get that off the screen. sexygirl153 an sgi desktp machine ChrisDodo increase power output 10 times beepbeep new: code.google.com sexygirl153 ooh ChrisDodo openwrt.org pixelcort Google Code: Boosting projects that utilize Google APIs. mikez c: yawn todbot agreed marksimpkins joined the chat room. marksimpkins ~marksimpk@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com marksimpkins pixelcort The Trick for VC: Best way to get is is not to need it. cybaea B: Trick revealed. Not much to it. tengi that would be the zen of VC, no? wkearney99 joined the chat room. wkearney99 ~wkearney9@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com wkearney99 jibot wkearney99 is Bill Kearney, located in Bethesda, MD and has a blog at (Link: http://www.ideaspace.net/users/wk​earney) daveviner joined the chat room. daveviner ~daveviner@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com daveviner TrevorFSm I wanted code.google.com to be a good source code search tool, not a google plug. sexygirl153 that would be nice mikez C: more interesting categorization: 'services' sits on top of the software - i.e. plug in modules sexygirl153 like google-forge mikez C: and then frontends on top of that danyel hey, lazyweb: anyone have a direct connection to Danny Hillis? I pointed appliedminds to a friend of mine (problem solver/robotics program manger), who started bouncing up and down. need to find a way to get them out of Aerospace Megatech and into something interesting. cybaea B: #3: no means maybe; yes means maybe jro_ joined the chat room. jro_ ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jro_ cybaea B: Perl code for VC funding. :-) DangerIsMyMiddle so, Ask Jeeves is announcing a Labs with no lab, no code, and existing products they've launched already? crimin sexygirl153 interesting DangerIsMyMiddle criminey! I'm so sold TrevorFSm There are a lot of SVN and CVS servers out there. Someone should index them, no? sexygirl153 :) TrevorFSm And by "someone", I mean google. mikez C: opensource Sputnik? cybaea http://imdb.com/title/tt0104348/ todbot A.B.C. cybaea B: Glengarry Glen Ross DangerIsMyMiddle why is it that all search engine demos use Britney Spears and the Beatles? BigD coffee is for closers todbot c: is also a sales pitch MattJones joined the chat room. MattJones ~MattJones@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com MattJones freightoi danger: cuz they are not on the tail chrisspurgeon Except that it's free cybaea B: Entrepreneurs must behave like in Glengarry Glen Ross ....... ? DangerIsMyMiddle well, I want the tail with my search engines todbot http://organicnetwork.net/solution​s/wireless-office.html freightoi danger: go to settings and turn off the adult filter DangerIsMyMiddle lol MattJones webb has just started collecting 3 books from everyone - write your 3 recommendations on the main pinboard by the stairs... todbot heh mikez C: not open source? is this a sales pitch? freightoi ask jeeves still a sales pitch todbot think so.. built on openwrt, but they add stuff on to it to make it enterprise-worthy chrisspurgeon C: apologies, it's not free genmon joined the chat room. genmon ~genmon@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com genmon jibot genmon is http://interconnected.org/home (matt webb) and preacherman sexygirl153 hey matt genmon yo DangerIsMyMiddle yo matt TrevorFSm (still on about code search) Also, why in the world doesn't sourceforge provide source level search? sexygirl153 because they're insane DangerIsMyMiddle koders koders.com isn't it? pixelcort We need to be able to grep online repos'es? freightoi cuz code search is hard DangerIsMyMiddle sourceforge code search cybaea B: #4: Funding is more than a full-time job. mr_austin left the chat room. mr_austin ~austin@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) mr_austin pixelcort Remote regex. TrevorFSm Now that's what I'm talking about. jbond joined the chat room. jbond ~Julian_Bo@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jbond BigD i'm an MBA geek. $500/hr ;-) TrevorFSm freightoi : no doubt code search is hard mikez C: paying for backend authentication service? freightoi hmm, the search clustering is interesting but gimmie some graphs and stuff. jemstone left the chat room. jemstone ~jemstone@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jemstone KarenL joined the chat room. KarenL ~k@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com KarenL mikez C: www.sputnik.com is cheaper, tho difference hardware freightoi or let us offer search terms ChrisL_AK_ FREIGHTOI: i agree__ i"m sure most of us have seen askjeeves before :) DangerIsMyMiddle and how is this a Labs? freightoi and the search geeks in the room have all seen LSI and LSA type stuff for a long time. cluster_fsck joined the chat room. cluster_fsck ~cgervais@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com cluster_fsck cacheop we're at the long tail of the conference - not so great presentations DangerIsMyMiddle so, you have an r and d dept? yeah? and? dviner_ joined the chat room. dviner_ ~daveviner@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com dviner_ dviner_ blogging vcs ? DangerIsMyMiddle rigged demo jbond was there any news of an irc#etech lunch? cybaea B: #5: Some things about VCs todbot so hungry sexygirl153 cacheop: which session are you in? cacheop C sexygirl153 ahh cacheop I mean the VC dviner left the chat room. dviner ~daveviner@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) dviner sexygirl153 oh same here DangerIsMyMiddle Google's results are better for Brooklyn Bridge mikez C: for pay version of http://www.austinwireless.net/ who also provide centralized auth C: or nocat auth, of course cacheop i'm the one about to fall asleep TrevorFSm C: tired of the sales pitch. I'm going for coffee. sexygirl153 where are you sat? tengi jbond: I believe that people are meeting in the lobby after the last morning session and heading for sushi deli2 jbond tengi: cool cacheop 3rd row sexygirl153 ahh cacheop aisle todbot ooo, i'm up for sushi genmon left the chat room. genmon ~genmon@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com genmon sexygirl153 i'm all the way at the back, ready for a quick exit ;) freightoi http://search.msn.com/results.aspx​?q=who+invented+the+light+bulb&FOR​M=QBHP nebonacci joined the chat room. nebonacci ~neb@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com nebonacci TrevorFSm left the chat room. TrevorFSm ~trevor@65.98.86.217 "TrevorFSm has no reason" TrevorFSm mikez C: finally, something for free, maybe .... todbot neb? nebonacci damn, IRC is almost impossible to get on pixelcort Considering we're all connecting using the same IP address. nebonacci tiz i! cacheop good riddance sexygirl153 it appears you're on it now :) daveviner left the chat room. daveviner ~daveviner@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) daveviner nebonacci after 20 min of rebuffed attempts todbot coyIRC sexygirl153 :) mikez C: http://www.lessnetworks.com/ knauer joined the chat room. knauer ~josh@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com knauer mikez C: www.socalfreenet.org gave a better wireless talk / BOF on Monday night ChrisL_AK_ askjeeves knows nothing about the long tail... lucky bastard butler jro left the chat room. jro ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Success jro marksimpkins if anyone knows any good civic software examples, use the del.icio.us tag civicsw http://del.icio.us/tag/civicsw ta ChrisDodo left the chat room. ChrisDodo ~ChrisDodo@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "This machine just fell asleep" ChrisDodo nebonacci now the session ends. perfect cluster_fsck left the chat room. cluster_fsck ~cgervais@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com cluster_fsck freightoi hmmm, this tool is useful for browse queries but browse is just a small part of search chrisspurgeon left the chat room. chrisspurgeon ~chrisspur@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com chrisspurgeon todbot time to hack life todbot left the chat room. todbot ~tod@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "zoom" todbot tengi left the chat room. tengi ~tengi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com tengi jemstone joined the chat room. jemstone ~jemstone@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jemstone nebonacci left the chat room. nebonacci ~neb@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "This machine just fell asleep" nebonacci ChrisL_AK_ if my search is relatively diffuse, Jeeves might make sense-- when I'mnot sure if I want veritas the product or the definition. marksimpkins you def. don't want the party DangerIsMyMiddle so, their old product was shit, and now it's good? freightoi chris: sure, cybaea B: VCs are humans too :-) knauer left the chat room. knauer ~josh@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com knauer DangerIsMyMiddle http://images.google.com/images?q=​happy%20babies&hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&​client=safari&rls=en-us&sa=N&tab=w​i cybaea left the chat room. cybaea ~allane@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "no reason" cybaea freightoi cybaea: B: that is a lie!!!!!!!! ChrisL_AK_ yeah, google's happy baby search worked fine for me michaelhilton left the chat room. michaelhilton ~michaelhi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com michaelhilton plasticbagUK joined the chat room. plasticbagUK ~tom@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com plasticbagUK zzgavin left the chat room. zzgavin ~gavin@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com zzgavin plasticbag joined the chat room. plasticbag ~tom@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com plasticbag mattb left the chat room. mattb ~mattb@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com mattb plasticbagUK soooo. anyone? Cerveny? lyza anyone what now? JimH_Taco left the chat room. JimH_Taco ~JimH@optbom1.uk.access.vodafone.net JimH_Taco Berserk left the chat room. Berserk user@D-128-208-226-202.dhcp4.washington.edu Berserk plasticbag left the chat room. plasticbag ~tom@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com plasticbag plasticbagUK hm. thought I was still here ryanco joined the chat room. ryanco ~ryancox@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com ryanco plasticbagUK weird freightoi nope You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. jbond yay! Dave Green chrisspurgeon joined the chat room. chrisspurgeon ~chrisspur@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com chrisspurgeon MattJones left the chat room. MattJones ~MattJones@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) MattJones plasticbagUK indeed. termie dave! green! mattb joined the chat room. mattb ~mattb@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com mattb jbond Preacherman Ewan_ left the chat room. Ewan_ ~Ewan_@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Ewan_ zzgavin joined the chat room. zzgavin ~gavin@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com zzgavin termie zzgavin: you are tall. mlinksva left the chat room. mlinksva ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Connection reset by peer mlinksva jseng left the chat room. jseng ~jseng@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jseng ChrisL_AK_ left the chat room. ChrisL_AK_ ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) ChrisL_AK_ plasticbagUK I feel bad. sexygirl153 you look bad mlinksva joined the chat room. mlinksva ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com mlinksva michaelhilton joined the chat room. michaelhilton ~michaelhi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com michaelhilton ChrisL_AK_ joined the chat room. ChrisL_AK_ ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com ChrisL_AK_ sexygirl153 where are you, btw spaceboy joined the chat room. spaceboy ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com spaceboy plasticbagUK sweet of you Calvin sexygirl153 :) jbond bad meaning good? plasticbagUK I'm right at the back of Life hacks pixelcort left the chat room. pixelcort ~pixelcort@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) pixelcort JeffC left the chat room. JeffC ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Operation timed out JeffC plasticbagUK but shortly off for lunch unfortunately JeffC_ is now known as JeffC. JeffC JeffC_ JeffC_ NelsonM joined the chat room. NelsonM ~nelson@adsl-63-194-75-26.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net NelsonM plasticbagUK cos I thought I'd seen is... TrevorFSm joined the chat room. TrevorFSm ~trevor@65.98.86.217 TrevorFSm plasticbagUK but now I'm thinking.... sexygirl153 "it's not good because it's rude. It's good because it *looks* like it's good because it's rude" ª incompatible encoding plasticbagUK hey nelson zzgavin termie a little bit plasticbagUK be with you in two mins NelsonMinar joined the chat room. NelsonMinar ~nelson@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com NelsonMinar MattJones joined the chat room. MattJones ~MattJones@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com MattJones NelsonM great! plasticbagUK anyone seen Cerveny? todbot ben is talking with applied minds folk ChrisL_AK_ left the chat room. ChrisL_AK_ ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Client Quit ChrisL_AK_ cybaea joined the chat room. cybaea ~allane@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com cybaea plasticbagUK bah jro_ left the chat room. jro_ ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jro_ plasticbagUK left the chat room. plasticbagUK ~tom@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Client Quit plasticbagUK jbond baah baa cybaea A: Finally switched to the next presentation KevinMarks joined the chat room. KevinMarks ~Snak@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com KevinMarks jibot KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & PST (UTC-8) & working at Technorati & wrote a python based irc client of DOOM mr_austin joined the chat room. mr_austin ~austin@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com mr_austin lobo__ joined the chat room. lobo__ ~a@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com lobo__ holgate It's in Coates.ttf mikez joined the chat room. mikez ~mm@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com mikez todbot "face of merlin on cardboard masks"? lobo_ left the chat room. lobo_ ~a@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) lobo_ NelsonMinar left the chat room. NelsonMinar ~nelson@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Client Quit NelsonMinar cybaea How is the B show? chrisweare joined the chat room. chrisweare ~chriswear@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com chrisweare TrevorFSm cybaea : top notch todbot danny being funny as typical MattJones DANNY'S SLIDES ARE FROM THE FOOOCHURR hodder joined the chat room. hodder ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com hodder cybaea He is always great :-) jbond p2p with yourself MattJones i.e. July 2005 termie TrevorFSm: you in life hacks? done with your phone :) TrevorFSm termie: I'm in life hacks, yes. wkearney99 left the chat room. wkearney99 ~wkearney9@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Connection timed out wkearney99 wkearney99_ left the chat room. wkearney99_ ~wkearney9@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0/20041107]" wkearney99_ termie TrevorFSm: s/phone/phone charger/ cool, will catch you on the way out jbond google news to rss! killed my bandwidth he said winer TrevorFSm HWSNBNed cybaea B is loud. We can hear Danny here in A. mikez how is A? cybaea Two presentations forf the price of one ccoryell left the chat room. ccoryell ~ccoryell@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) ccoryell todbot B has louder audio than C cybaea A: Practical steps to become a master phisher jbond HeWhoShallNotBeNamed. Do not unleash That dark Eldritch HORROR! plasticbagUK joined the chat room. plasticbagUK ~tom@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com plasticbagUK plasticbag joined the chat room. plasticbag ~tom@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com plasticbag jbond itch to scratch. digital herpes cacheop left the chat room. cacheop ~alba@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) cacheop cacheop joined the chat room. cacheop ~alba@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com cacheop chrisweare left the chat room. chrisweare ~chriswear@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com chrisweare wkearney99 joined the chat room. wkearney99 ~wkearney9@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com wkearney99 KarenL left the chat room. KarenL ~k@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) KarenL marksimpkins how is the social engineering? given up your passwrods yet? cheesebikini i thought it was a cult? ccoryell joined the chat room. ccoryell ~ccoryell@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com ccoryell jbond daevid allen? Gong? termie cheesebikini: it is cybaea marksimpkins: Just focusing on phishing now danyel anyone taking notes on Danny O'Brien? It's too crowded to get in. todbot what? no one knows that my password is 'killbunnies' cheesebikini oh yeah... dianetics is a book too TrevorFSm I don't think I'd want to be on stage with Danny. He's hard to follow. ryanco taking notes ... i'll post in a few termie GTD works very well if you're able to delegate everything :) danyel ryan: thx! todbot termie: haha! jbond delegation is tricky when you work on your own delegate to your cat termie jbond: that's allowed. plasticbag left the chat room. plasticbag ~tom@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Client Quit plasticbag plasticbagUK left the chat room. plasticbagUK ~tom@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Client Quit plasticbagUK cybaea B: Average net loss to a user from a phishing attack is $1,200 ryanco who's in google talk? jbond getting things done by JFDI cybaea A: Differential directory harvest attack. spaceboy my cat delegates to me cybaea A: Easy targets: salesforcve.com, ... jro left the chat room. jro ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) jro todbot "mmm, yeah... didn' t you read the memo about putting out the food on time?" cybaea Hm, that's salesfoce.com I give up.... Can't type marksimpkins A: Differential directory harvest attack. <- whats that? spaceboy "note that salmon flavour is not acceptable" mwturnage joined the chat room. mwturnage Tellvus@cpe-024-165-170-064.midsouth.rr.com mwturnage jbond ringtones in conference rooms -- cybaea A: What service was that? Netsuite? todbot blingtones dviner_ left the chat room. dviner_ ~daveviner@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) dviner_ cybaea Or ADP? grepawk joined the chat room. grepawk ~marstein@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com grepawk jbond 43folders guy should use the mic mr_austin can't hear him in the other room? todbot hahahaha termie quicksilverrrrr todbot arrr matey jbond my mind can't track the US accent, speaking fast, when it's too quiet ryanco use the mic, not the mac todbot cmd-space me some doubloons TrevorFSm *cough* I hope that cmd-space isn't used by spotlight on Tiger. *cough* todbot he's become so efficient thatmedoesn'tneedpausesbetweenwor​ds termie cringes mr_austin you can remap no? cmd-space is damn valuable in PSD TrevorFSm And that it doesn't do something really similar to QS. cybaea A: Too much phishing. jro__ joined the chat room. jro__ ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jro__ danyel mark: i get a directory extracted today, and then do the same thing three months from now. then i can find new users. (presumably, this is an internal attack form.) jro__ is now known as jro. jro jro__ jro__ jbond no modal shifts in your focus que? todbot austin: yes, can remap to whatever you like danyel (er, it could be outside, if I simply track what email addresses are coming out of the org.) marksimpkins danyel: thanks ryanco left the chat room. ryanco ~ryancox@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) ryanco cybaea Network is slow? todbot left the chat room. todbot ~tod@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) todbot AndyBaio left the chat room. AndyBaio ~spam@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com AndyBaio mlinksva left the chat room. mlinksva ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) mlinksva ryanco joined the chat room. ryanco ~ryancox@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com ryanco BigD PING reply -- Lag: 48 seconds cybaea A: http://www.surbl.org/ NelsonM left the chat room. NelsonM ~nelson@adsl-63-194-75-26.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net Remote closed the connection NelsonM marksimpkins left the chat room. marksimpkins ~marksimpk@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Remote closed the connection marksimpkins cybaea left the chat room. cybaea ~allane@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.5/20041217]" cybaea jbond left the chat room. jbond ~Julian_Bo@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) jbond jemstone http://www.corante.com/strange/arc​hives/2004/12/17/personally_i_blam​e_danny_obrien.php michaelhilton left the chat room. michaelhilton ~michaelhi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Remote closed the connection michaelhilton noidfish http://asktog.com/TOI/toi06Keyboar​dVMouse1.html to save everyone copying it down cybaea joined the chat room. cybaea ~allane@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com cybaea hodder wow.. an etech session touching on usability.. jbond joined the chat room. jbond ~Julian_Bo@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jbond michaelhilton joined the chat room. michaelhilton ~michaelhi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com michaelhilton danyel so, wait. the conclusion of (A) was "yes, phishing is really hard to solve" MattJones hodder : yeah -HCI! 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Suw ~Suw@suw.user Suw Suw eyup MattJones czchmehjihalai marksimpkins joined the chat room. marksimpkins ~marksimpk@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com marksimpkins hodder but did we hit our limit? todbot joined the chat room. todbot ~tod@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com todbot MattJones Alice Taylor cybaea A: Question time Hi Suw KevinMarks did we pick an irc lunch? marksimpkins something happened noidfish http://crystaltips.typepad.com/won​derland/ jbond arg. the conference is not over yet. stop unplugging stuff noidfish (the alice danny refered to) todbot glitch in the wifitrix MattJones http://crystaltips.typepad.com/ Suw hi cybaea! alice grunts KevinMarks jemstone's magic Suw summoning powers MattJones where she posted this: http://crystaltips.typepad.com/wo​nderland/2005/03/diy_games.html, which is like BLOGSPOT FOR WORLDS amazing Suw lol cybaea Too much laughing in B Suw like every demon, i turn up when summoned using the correct incantation genmon joined the chat room. genmon ~genmon@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com genmon jibot genmon is http://interconnected.org/home (matt webb) and preacherman alice danny used to do standup :) MattJones PREACHERMAAAAAN mikez b: geeks like big screens todbot alice: serious? TrevorFSm mmmm, lunch njt joined the chat room. njt ~gnat@c-24-9-55-174.client.comcast.net njt todbot he has great timing holgate hey, PREACH cacheop left the chat room. cacheop ~alba@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) cacheop cybaea Lunchtime. #etechlunch alice nods at todbot cheesebikini research.microsoft.com/users/mar​ycz MattJones robin hunicke on videogames and flow: http://www.cs.northwestern.edu/~h​unicke/thesis.html noidfish http://research.microsoft.com/user​s/marycz Suw did stand-up holgate http://research.microsoft.com/user​s/marycz/ njt who's this alice thing danny's talking about? sounds hot tadghin left the chat room. tadghin ~tadghin@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) tadghin holgate jinx jbond kevinMarks: lobby in 5 minutes. sushi alice bites nat njt mmm, bite lobo__ left the chat room. lobo__ ~a@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) lobo__ alice i can't wait for life hacks when's it due out in fact? cybaea A: "There is no wisdom of the crowds" jbond Danny *is* Eddie Izzard holgate when it's written, I believe. njt when they finish writing it :) Suw yeah, life hacks will be cool todbot hahaah spaceboy i though ben ham was eddy izzard KevinMarks excellent </burns> Suw if anyone sees danny, please say hi to him for me :) alice gnat. thwack. TrevorFSm A lot of us see Danny. Right now. holgate he already mentioned how he ruined your life, Suw. tengi left the chat room. tengi ~tengi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) tengi wkearney99_ joined the chat room. wkearney99_ ~wkearney9@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com wkearney99_ Suw ha ha ha cool! damn, i wish i was there termie another reason for big screens having an increase in productiity is that human visual cognition is much better than human memory. You can hold things in your visual cache way better than having to remember what the hell the other window said cybaea A: Educating users by sending them fake phishing e-mails leading to "you are a fool" websites? Probably not a good solution...... michaelhilton left the chat room. michaelhilton ~michaelhi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com michaelhilton crysflame cybaea: heh holgate "turn off the sodding computer" crysflame especially as you'll get your email server blocked for it mr_austin "improved focus can be achieved through activiteis such as yoga, meditation, and turning off IM" Suw ha ha ha mr_austin -ulrich mayr genmon he's onto us mr_austin lol jbond and turning off IRC TrevorFSm quick, look interested todbot damn, he's watching us right now Suw and, in fact, the computer holgate damn, we've been cornered. Suw wave, somebody! spaceboy don't worry, we can easiliy distract him BigD left the chat room. BigD ~declan@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) BigD holgate wikipedia is the byproduct of geek distraction. KevinMarks you should videochat danny Suw cybaea A: Phising solution: don't send e-mails :-) MattJones this was the comment at sxsw about the success of tagging and wikipedia being proportional to the spread of wifi to meeting rooms genmon Joss Whedon to Write/Direct Wonder Woman: http://slashdot.org/articles/05/0​3/17/183232.shtml?tid=97 BigD joined the chat room. BigD ~declan@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com BigD cybaea left the chat room. cybaea ~allane@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Remote closed the connection cybaea JeffC left the chat room. JeffC ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) JeffC wkearney99_ left the chat room. wkearney99_ ~wkearney9@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0/20041107]" wkearney99_ MattJones danny has, like, so completely, got, like valley intonation? njt genman: ooooooooooh TrevorFSm I am amazed at how many icons are on people's screen. (not that I'm looking over your shouulder) njt matt: but he still says "umm errr" mattjones: how long until you have the "cold fish" Finnish affect? TrevorFSm Most poeple have ~100 icons. Suw gets a scary glimpse of her future accent MattJones mita? danyel a: lunchtime. danyel left the chat room. danyel ~danyelf@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com danyel KevinMarks linchtime now? holgate he's an upspeaker now. TrevorFSm lifehacks is not out yet njt mattjones: and he still says "uvva" KevinMarks that would be lunch ratehr than lynch jbond prvent clipy njt kevin: lynch is the feminist form, approved by womyn the wyrld ovyr Suw kill clippy whereas lyntsh is the Welsh form mikez left the chat room. mikez ~mm@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com mikez grepawk sushi - hmmmm - but this lifehacks talk keeps on going KevinMarks see you i the lobby for sushi hunting njt is "sushi hunting" a euphemism? Suw does not wish to know holgate ulysses on OS X is good for the nothing-else-on-screen UI. genmon left the chat room. genmon ~genmon@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com genmon grepawk sushi fishing or is it phishing? TrevorFSm "life patch" MattJones holgate : URL? grepawk would fit better MattJones lifehash Suw i think the fishing has to come before the sushi MattJones lifehat lifehutch termie lifelife rubys joined the chat room. rubys ~chatzilla@209.242.167.226 rubys jibot rubys is Sam Ruby and in Raleigh, NC and can be found at http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/ and hosts the Atom wiki at http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/​pie/FrontPage TrevorFSm lifenatch Suw or if you're a londoner, life ax cheesebikini is it robot sushi? jbond lifesnatch MattJones lifeputsch mr_austin ulysses: http://mac.sofotex.com/download-1​25559.html marksimpkins left the chat room. marksimpkins ~marksimpk@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com marksimpkins MattJones lifesnacks. mmm. njt "stately plump steve jobs came from the macworld, bearing a box of iPod on which a firewire cable and microphone lay crossed" migurski joined the chat room. migurski ~migurski@h-68-165-1-62.snvacaid.covad.net migurski Suw i feel so left out with no vid feed :( KevinMarks OK I'm in the lobby by the circle table you hinting, woman? migurski left the chat room. migurski ~migurski@h-68-165-1-62.snvacaid.covad.net migurski Suw er, yes :) todbot we'll be the circle squares KevinMarks AIM is sulking Suw damn aim KevinMarks we should start a circledheptagon tag for photos of 50p coins TrevorFSm but, how will we know when there is free food? (if we don't check email every second?) jro left the chat room. jro ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) jro njt is it just me or is lifehacks running waaaay the fuck into lunch? mr_austin GTD by not eating jbond yes it is. 15 minutes now TrevorFSm time management folk. what are you going to do? grepawk he should get this life hacks thing done todbot dam, humgry Suw ha ha ha spaceboy starving todbot losing my 'n's genmon joined the chat room. genmon ~genmon@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com genmon jro__ joined the chat room. jro__ ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jro__ jro__ is now known as jro. jro jro__ jro__ Suw i think it's dave green's influence holgate damn you, matt haughey! grepawk cut features - or the uni TrevorFSm left the chat room. TrevorFSm ~trevor@65.98.86.217 "TrevorFSm has no reason" TrevorFSm You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. jibot cheesebikini is Sean Savage and a Berkeley grad student who named flash mobs flash mobs and is busy neglecting his site cheesebikini.com. dviner in A Suw todbot: ok, that could get confusing Berserk dviner: how is it? TrevorFSm Suw: but with lazerz. todbot hahhaha! cybaea B: http://www.kare.com/ rodan joined the chat room. rodan ~rosenfeld@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com rodan dviner A:podcast versus radio during commuting grepawk joined the chat room. grepawk ~marstein@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com grepawk cheesebikini dude... fast-forward jbond commuting? what's that? Suw TrevorFSm: you ever seen photos of me? I usually have laser eyes. so that would be very apt jseng someone should make a wearable apple - lcd on the in the front of the body, isight attached to a headgear/specs - then we can bring suw everywhere in the lobby cheesebikini william tell invented that jro__ joined the chat room. jro__ ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jro__ jro__ is now known as jro. jro jro__ jro__ todbot cybersuw Suw and speakers in your shoulder pads so people can hear me jseng lol cheesebikini hows "brain for designers" jbond No. I am Suw Charman. grepawk brain currently looks into how we process patterns. Suw checks a few things are you sure, jbond? cybaea lol jbond Just pictured lots of people with the "Wearable SuW" wandering around mikez C: life as an op-amp TrevorFSm lots of geeks turning their heads upside down. cybaea Everybody standing on their heads in B Suw ha ha ha BigD his what? Suw 'wearable suw'... sounds a bit dodgy to me jbond Maybe you could rent yourself out to people who couldn't be there grepawk Brain: british guy with slight accent - seems to approach the subject from far. TrevorFSm Or you could put the screen on your shoulder, like a second head. todbot zaphod! tengi zaphod. mikez C: Free Trade vs Fair Trade todbot jinx TrevorFSm I was thinking of stelarc, but ok. jbond Perhaps just their eyes on the outside of sunglasses Suw jbond: careful with the 'r' word hee hee cheesebikini podcast: slow rehash of what we already know about podcasting still.. Suw Zwphod mikez please add more slide deck urls to http://wiki.oreillynet.com/etech0​5/index.cgi?PresentationSlides cheesebikini shiite im missing zaphod? YAY demo time NelsonMinar odeo demo now spaceboy joined the chat room. spaceboy ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com spaceboy todbot evhead != zaphod? jbond You can aleways spot the Brit speakers. They say "Um" NelsonMinar odeo is a pink porn star logo Suw Ummm cheesebikini pickle pilot logo cybaea B: Blinkenlights chrisweare joined the chat room. chrisweare ~chriswear@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com chrisweare chrisweare is now known as freightoi. freightoi chrisweare chrisweare jbond still no red on the projectors mikez C: yawn, get to good stuff.... Berserk NelsonMinar: how's the demo ? michaelhilton joined the chat room. michaelhilton ~michaelhi@cpe-69-75-250-189.san.res.rr.com michaelhilton cheesebikini odeo looks like taggable database of podcasts NelsonMinar odeo demo is kind of what you'd expect he hasn't said folksonomy or long tail yet! Berserk Netminder: directory, or more ? michaelhilton left the chat room. michaelhilton ~michaelhi@cpe-69-75-250-189.san.res.rr.com michaelhilton tengi there goes another kitten cheesebikini no i was hoping for last.fm model applied to podcasts here... mikez C: enabling technologies: embedded processors, open source, VOIP, wirelss 802.11 TrevorFSm if odeo is just tags+podcasts, I will be sad Suw tengi: it's ok, we can get more sexygirl153 weblog leopards!! mikez C: villagers were already using internet to call overseas, 80+ miles away todbot leaping leopards, blogman! freightoi he said flow Suw blogpards? tengi looks like flickr is done with its massage spaceboy robot feral leopards Suw ooh good :) cheesebikini i want a massage NelsonMinar odeo is aggregating info about podcasts on other sites nebonacci joined the chat room. nebonacci ~neb@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com nebonacci Berserk long massage... must be nice cybaea Matt is going to jump.. freightoi lets see how long it takes for him to mention the curse of dimensionality boardyb joined the chat room. boardyb ~boardy@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com boardyb zzgavin joined the chat room. zzgavin ~gavin@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com zzgavin todbot neb! nebonacci ahoy cybaea B: Hey! It is not a typewrite font. Is that allowed? jbond Anyone know a book called "easy travel to other planets"? cheesebikini well odeo is still BIG improvement over the crappy stuff we have now for podcast search/finding NelsonMinar odeo: don't have to commit to subscribing to RSS. Can just download a post Berserk cheesebikini: expand on that... mlinksva left the chat room. mlinksva ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) mlinksva TrevorFSm cheesebikini: so it is just tags+podcasts? mlinksva_ joined the chat room. mlinksva_ ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com mlinksva_ plasticbagUK You know this stuff actually doesn't suck at all freightoi hmmm, my brain can't count to seven NelsonMinar odeo: nice UI, serious browsability plasticbagUK There's something here It's not terrible NelsonMinar plasticbag: too bad the podcast *content* still sucks :-) njt joined the chat room. njt ~gnat@c-24-9-55-174.client.comcast.net njt njt matt is DREAMY plasticbagUK Yeah that's certainly true, but I wonder what their relationship is to professionally generated content TrevorFSm NelsonMinar: but it sucks in the same way as blogs. cheesebikini nelson: come on.. great podcasts plasticbagUK stop perving on my co-worker NelsonMinar plasticbag - good question for Ev. "What's your plan for commercial content" BigD i think itconversations doesn't suck dviner left the chat room. dviner ~daveviner@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) dviner holgate podverts. TrevorFSm Which is to say, occasionally glorious. sexygirl153 hahahahahahaha chrismay joined the chat room. chrismay ~chrismay@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com chrismay Suw njt: pictures? plasticbagUK stop perving on my coworker! mikez C: interesting: thesis, culture moving to internet, same way it moved from rural to city NelsonMinar odeo - you can share your podcast download queue with others Suw if there are cute guys, i wanna see. JeffC_ joined the chat room. JeffC_ ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com JeffC_ JeffC_ is now known as JeffC. JeffC JeffC_ JeffC_ jbond podcasting doesn't work for me. a) I'm always on line. b) most of what I do involves words and most podcasts are talking heads cheesebikini radio clash is good: http://www.zen6818.zen.co.uk/radi​oclash/radioclash_050307.mp3 NelsonMinar I sure wish people would let Evan talk BigD i drive a lot, love it there holgate the ad hoc queueing thing is nice. BigD or on the bike Suw podcasting needs to involve additional emotional content that can't be communicated by words alone cheesebikini hows the brain talk Suw that's why most audio/podcasts are dull jbond It's why I've almost stopped listening to music with vocals cybaea B: Matt is not paying attention to the flow of his presentation... cheesebikini suw: you obviously havent listened to the podcast the guy makes each day from his toilet plasticbagUK Yeah basically I think this is pretty good cheesebikini now thats emotion jbond feels like a left brain right brain thing plasticbagUK This is going to do well, I'm pretty sure of it holgate bogcast. plasticbagUK Way way better than I was expecting Suw cheesebikini: ha ha ha i think i'll leave that one alone plasticbagUK ENORMOUSLY better than i was expecting BigD plopcast cheesebikini (not making it up!) plasticbagUK their own parallel desktop application I think Suw poopcast TrevorFSm plasticbagUKL tags + podcasts + ? jbond I can multitask as long as one is verbal and the other is aural or visual todbot "for me to podcast on!" TrevorFSm They have a client side app?! mikez C: building hydro systems in dominican republic Suw i can't multitask if one of the tasks is aural sexygirl153 i cheated and started from the bottom dviner joined the chat room. dviner ~daveviner@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com dviner holgate if you can absolutely strip out much of the desktop client -- if you want to -- then it'll make a big difference. cheesebikini vodkast holgate remove friction. cheesebikini i need a vodkast tonic spaceboy i looked for Ns at the front of the line todbot i binary search on lists NelsonMinar ok, that was rude, but I had to do it sexygirl153 :) bkdelong I have to admit, I love listening to podcasts on my Tivco Suw sexygirl153: you still talking about the loo podcast? BigD tim's back here wondering why this guy is talking about him sexygirl153 i'm in webb's talk :p Suw ooh lag brb Suw left the chat room. Suw ~Suw@suw.user Suw sexygirl153 hahahaha bkdelong I just wish we could synch in visiting Web pages with the audio freightoi doh, awkward pause in talk cheesebikini sexy: hows webb talk spaceboy it's sexy holgate odeo studio. ooh. njt webb is very interesting. sexygirl153 he's hawt You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. mr_austin it's much harder to make an interesting podcast than take a good picture holgate oh yes. Suw yeah plasticbagUK (1) What about rights issues - adding songs etc (2) What about the distribution of commercial content, how's that going to work TrevorFSm sexygirl153: but it is bad like blogs are bad. the question is how do we link to the good and cull the bad. mr_austin that said, i think this is pretty fancy njt sexygirl153: njt = nathan torkington Suw that's why i don't podcast plasticbagUK plus lots of sweet shit holgate yep. it's still under the ASCAP / PRI radar right now. Not. For. Long. mikez C: moving away from Cisco gear to DIY on Soekris boards cybaea giggle holgate what was the joke, B-peeps? Suw it's really hard to do a good podcast because people get stuck in either 'reading blog post' mode or 'dj' mode spaceboy virgin atalantic games interface horridness mr_austin they're hard to browse quickly too unless people start making podcast commercials cybaea holgate: You needed to be here.... Suw holdate: that's where CC music would come into play, if only it was easier to search the CC archives holgate ah. I thought so. jbond Did IRC die? NelsonMinar odeo: business model question Suw jbond: not afaik freightoi yeah njt at the next makers fair we should have a booth where you pay $5 for a scrap of matt's clothing. "my very own mind hacks relic!" cheesebikini the odeous biz model issue holgate agreed, Suw. you may have the 'happy birthday' people complaining first. zzgavin joined the chat room. zzgavin ~gavin@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com zzgavin cheesebikini at next makers fair we should have makers mark TrevorFSm If odeo makes it easy to link into podcasts, they'll take the lot. Suw there needs to be a really good CC search facility jbond left the chat room. jbond ~Julian_Bo@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) jbond freightoi hmmm, possibilities are visible. hmmmm - insert into brain - Suw i was looking for CC music for a short film recently, and it was murderous NelsonMinar odeo: "make podcasting as easy as possible - obvious business models - don't intend a monopology" alice "designing for hairless monkeys" freightoi designing for bonobos alice suw: magnatunes hodder joined the chat room. hodder ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com hodder Suw googles plasticbagUK yup - this is interesting cybaea B: Winding down plasticbagUK getting people to charge for content there's your incentive jbond joined the chat room. jbond ~Julian_Bo@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jbond plasticbagUK that's what pushes it on because suddenly people can look at this thing as a revenue stream which means tehre's a potential for people to become semi-professional Suw alice: thx :) plasticbagUK and do stuff that people might want to download because it's of high-enough quality alice np :) plasticbagUK that's what pushes podcasting out of the ghetto very sweet. Suw will people pay? freightoi the ghetto needs podcasting NelsonMinar odeo: revenue is from hosting, enabling people to charge for content, and advertising plasticbagUK good question - depends on the content, I guess Suw is there not a rather big problem with people generally wanting stuff for free? plasticbagUK for most people, I think clearly not mr_austin and the price too... plasticbagUK yes. really cool stuff BigD wasn't that the biz mod for mp3.com? cheesebikini dont write it off b/c its mostly crappy content so far.. that always gets better freightoi charge for placement (this segment of the pod cast brought to you by ) TrevorFSm plasticbagUK: so, semi-pro tools made blogging better? NelsonMinar bigd - interesting question plasticbagUK dunno if it'll work, of course, but this is NOT s shit idea cybaea Matt is talking to his computer.. freightoi oh look, design for bonobos plasticbagUK but I think they're different things alice quiet, you tool-using monkey plasticbagUK I don' thtink this is audio weblogging this is publishing, weblogs are not publshing really freightoi I'm a monkey using tool njt "DEAR MATT WEB, PLES STOP SAYING TOOL IT IS MAKING ME HOT. LUV ALISS" Suw not saying it is a shit idea, but i think that there would have to be some sort of sea change to persuade peopel to actually pay for content plasticbagUK and actually professional weblogs that are a bit shiny do make money and people do pay for them in terms of ads and stuff cheesebikini christensen... not good enough = mark of disruptive tech freightoi podcasts can imbed adds NelsonMinar well, the fact we're debating this and the Odeo demo is good means that so far, the startup is successful alice i am speechless. plasticbagUK yeah - agreed. cheesebikini not so sure... i would pay 10c each for radio clash right now, no prob Suw that's v. small minority though. plasticbagUK not shit. alice nat's disgustingness goes to 11. it's rather cool NO JOKES ABOUT KNOBS, NAT mikez please add more slide deck urls to http://wiki.oreillynet.com/etech0​5/index.cgi?PresentationSlides freightoi no user payment model unless you pay one small price and get the universe mr_austin thats cool. tagging + reposting specific parts of podcasts cheesebikini keep your static out of my loops Suw whatever happened to micropayments... alice reads nat's mail over his shoulder todbot "bubble things up from the short loops" BigD when can we see odeo on the web? NelsonMinar suw - paypal.com cheesebikini from the short hairs Suw NelsonMinar: that's not for content though cybaea wonders where to go celebrate St Patrick tonight freightoi attention deficit disorder, ironically enough, is not actually about a deficit of attention. holgate get odeo to do the billing and redist. like a phone company, perhaps? TrevorFSm left the chat room. TrevorFSm ~trevor@65.98.86.217 "BitchX-1.0c19 -- just do it." TrevorFSm freightoi hey look! a feral roboduck! cheesebikini they rolled out astroturf all down the street.. Suw paypal knwo they have peopel by the short and curlies because it takes 40 days to clear a foreign currency cheque, but paypal is instantaneous cheesebikini street party at... what is that, c ave or something BigD there's wonderful st pat's concert down on gaslamp tonight ends with Flogging Molly holgate still not public. they're working on the interface. you have to be in the room to see it. cybaea B: Does it matter? BigD: Where? freightoi hmmm, gotta fly home Suw freightoi: so long as it's not necrophiliac cybaea cheesebikini: Mmm, party!! cheesebikini F street, that is BigD $15 tickets at The Field - place in the gasslamp cybaea F and what? holgate ugh. st pats. cheesebikini the green astroturf, ans street closed off, = F street BigD 5th street cheesebikini at 5th todbot green beeer! Suw isnt' that usually called vomit? holgate kiss me, i'm fourteenth-generation idaho irish. todbot ew holgate or something. cheesebikini holgate = stroppy NelsonMinar server lag BigD url for st pats thing: http://www.91x.com/cc-common/glo​balcontestfinder.html?contest=1131​8 cybaea Green beer? Ugh. cheesebikini: Thanks BigD ShamRock. Rock, get it? cybaea :-) cheesebikini dont eat green snow TrevorFSmith joined the chat room. TrevorFSmith ~Snak@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com TrevorFSmith jibot TrevorFSmith is available in digital form at http://trevor.smith.name/ and a photo mapping fool and not magical freightoi o common, the military is not the first to do eye tracking prediction! Suw i am pissed off w. google for doing St Patricks day but not doing St David's day. todbot "hand-span of the brain" -- matt's just full of pithy sayings cybaea B: Why is Matt building his slides from the bottom up? Suw wancwyr freightoi the pr0n industry had this nailed years ago alice well said suw. up the welsh! cybaea B: Ugh! That's hard Suw ha ha ha NelsonMinar boy, there's a lot of questions for Evan about Odeo freightoi why is he putting slides up that can not be read? todbot the colors! aagh my eyes! the goggles do nothing! alice projector has colour issues Berserk NelsonMinar: has he posted audio yet ? BigD smart people can read them u can't? ;-) NelsonMinar berserk - no, I'm just assuming he will or mathowie will Berserk ahh cybaea B: Matt likes German lyza Berserk. Howdy Suw alice: not as bad as the welsh flag cybaea B: zuhanden: ready-to-hand Berserk lyza: yo freightoi ein reich ein volksonomy! Berserk lyza: super bummed i'm not down there TrevorFSmith plasticbagUK: Sorry, lost network. Agreed that podcasts aren't (all) audio weblogs, but they do share characteristics of amateur value and distribution styles. So, the question of whether semi-pro blogging has raised quality might reveal what will happen with podcasting. tengi there goes another kitten cybaea B: That's either da Vinci or reversed lyza Yeah. I'll bring the love back ot you. cheesebikini puptent! cybaea B: Huh? NelsonMinar odeo - functionally complete, invite only beta "in the next few weeks. worried about scaling to lots of users. Suw i think apart from a very small minority, blogging is more of a loss leader than an earner cheesebikini (pardon me) plasticbagUK I don't think the two are analogous to be honest, but I'm prepared to haev that argument and I'd be delighted to have my opinions changed cheesebikini yeh plasticbag i think there are fundamental differences cybaea B: All done You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. mattb left the chat room. mattb ~mattb@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com mattb mr_austin left the chat room. mr_austin ~austin@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "Leaving" mr_austin ChrisDodo joined the chat room. ChrisDodo ~ChrisDodo@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com ChrisDodo Suw the successes will be the first into those niches mikez left the chat room. mikez ~mm@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) mikez Suw although you have just given me an idea for something to do when I'm in SF next TrevorFSmith Perhaps the difference in perceived value is between the (perhaps inherent) difficulty in making a podcast that doesn't sound terrible and run slow versus making a blog post which is pretty and interesting? BigD lets get this over with! I've got poker tonight! TrevorFSmith I know it would take most people (maybe not Cory) longer to make a good podcast than to post a good post. jro left the chat room. jro ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) jro ccoryell joined the chat room. ccoryell ~ccoryell@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com ccoryell Suw i think 'perceived value' is the right term NelsonMinar mathowie said he will have audio of the odeo talk ryanco left the chat room. ryanco ~ryancox@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) ryanco TrevorFSmith Well, perceived value is somewhat redundant, but it is handy to point it out. Suw the perception on the net tends to be that value = 0 unless you can give someone a really, really good reason why it's not not inherent value, but financial value marksimpkins aaaaagggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh chrisspurgeon joined the chat room. chrisspurgeon ~chrisspur@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com chrisspurgeon mlinksva_ left the chat room. mlinksva_ ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) mlinksva_ Suw god, i didn't realise i was so sceptical about this cybaea B: Bubble template TrevorFSmith Suw: it's not quite that dire. Suw would like audio of danny's talk, and woudl pay a whole quid for it TrevorFSmith Suw: people paid kottke freightoi ok, "building personal web services" about to begin. spaceboy another hot speaker! Suw TrevorFSmith: but kottke is in that small, small minority of very popular blogs. cybaea B: Started Suw if i tried his trick i'd starve TrevorFSmith Suw: same as it ever was freightoi speaker tip 1) don't put your hands in your pockets. Suw yes, which is that only a tiny minority can make any cash out of it cybaea Yellow on white :-( Suw and the rest of us either don't, or make cash because of it mr_austin joined the chat room. mr_austin ~austin@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com mr_austin bees joined the chat room. bees ~cal@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com bees noidfish bees! BigD freight - amen mattb joined the chat room. mattb ~mattb@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com mattb sexygirl153 left the chat room. sexygirl153 ~cal@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Connection reset by peer sexygirl153 jbond no red Suw no red? cybaea No red TrevorFSmith So left coast: all blues and greens freightoi ack! bad photo match on newsbot jbond Does Ben Trott ever show emotion? delivery is really flat jrnoded joined the chat room. jrnoded ~jr@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jrnoded jibot jrnoded is jr at http://www.noded.com/noded cybaea Off topic: Yes! 18Mbps broadband in the UK. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/techn​ology/4355665.stm TrevorFSmith Ok, I'm so adding lat/lon to 93 Photo Street photo maps so he'll stop saying that. cybaea jbond: No. He is always like this :-) freightoi heh cybaea Really nice guy, very flat delivery MattJones joined the chat room. MattJones ~MattJones@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com MattJones ChrisDodo we've got adsl2+ in finland already ;) njt left the chat room. njt ~gnat@c-24-9-55-174.client.comcast.net Remote closed the connection njt cybaea B: My eyes hurt freightoi speaking in public is hard jbond foaf = read only data spaceboy i hunger for red cybaea freightoi: Yup. TrevorFSmith Is the FOAF web mostly connected or mostly islands? cybaea craves red jro___ joined the chat room. jro___ ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jro___ jro___ is now known as jro. jro jro___ jro___ JeffC_ joined the chat room. JeffC_ ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com JeffC_ mlinksva_ joined the chat room. mlinksva_ ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com mlinksva_ richardhod joined the chat room. richardhod ~irc@vpn-053-070.usc.edu richardhod todbot joined the chat room. todbot ~tod@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com todbot jibot todbot is not a bot and Tod E. Kurt, at http://todbot.com/ . Once a Yahoo (via GoTo.com), now a space probe nerd. freightoi what do you mean by mostly? there has been some study about this for blogs TrevorFSmith Are more than 50% of FOAF files in a single web? richardhod left the chat room. richardhod ~irc@vpn-053-070.usc.edu richardhod cybaea B: http://blo.gs/ jbond re feed splicing. a bit of self promotion. http://www.voidstar.com/ukpoliblo​g/ is an aggregate of all the UK political blogs. freightoi hmmm, dunno. I'm putting my $20 chip on no Suw cybaea: 18mbps? ooooh! cybaea Suw: Yup! I want, I want.... cskaterun_ left the chat room. cskaterun_ ~cskaterun@cpe-66-27-73-30.san.res.rr.com Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) cskaterun_ cybaea (No NTL cable where I live though... :-() Suw cybaea: your'e not the only one!! cybaea blo.gs is for sale.. Suw on both counts jbond lots of lag... freightoi perl is ugly You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. NelsonMinar supposed to be - there's another 20 minute talk now TrevorFSmith Ok, then. Oh. cybaea Only 5 minutes early freightoi left the chat room. freightoi ~chriswear@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com freightoi todbot left the chat room. todbot ~tod@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "This machine just fell asleep" todbot cybaea Last presentation of ETech 2005 coming up starts to cry tengi joined the chat room. tengi ~tengi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com tengi jibot tengi is Chris Tengi and a SysAdmin in the Princeton University CS Department Suw awww don't cry cybaea at least you can say you were *there*, that's the main thing cybaea Digital Suw was here with us as well jseng left the chat room. jseng ~jseng@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jseng crysflame i wasn't there :( BigD when's the raffle? cybaea Raffle? BigD did i missit? You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. crysflame holy shit http://code.google.com/ termie crysflame: yeah, we've all been tehre :p NelsonMinar crys? crysflame i haven't just catching up :) NelsonMinar you're, like, 3.5 hours behind! TrevorFSmith The schedule board outside the sessions has bits of paper (gasp) on which to write 3 books. There are roughly 12 already up. crysflame so did they explain what's happened to googlex? TrevorFSmith 12 slips, not 12 books cybaea TrevorFSmith: Why? cskaterun_ joined the chat room. cskaterun_ ~cskaterun@cpe-66-27-73-30.san.res.rr.com cskaterun_ jibot cskaterun_ is cskaterun's clone TrevorFSmith cybaea: well. why not? cheesebikini www.cheesebikini.com/googlex cybaea Trevor: Yes, OK, but what will happen with the list of books? What's the point? TrevorFSmith cybaea: you could think of it as bedside table fodder, I suppose. cheesebikini missing small gifs cybaea Oh, I see jbond cybaea: we can carry on in the lobby and play that the conference hasn't finished TrevorFSmith cybaea: what will happen is that other people will look at the slips and choose to read some of the books. cheesebikini methinks: google legal dept. saw what engineers posted (googlex), then ordered them to take down b/c of apple IP issues cybaea jbond: Yes! Good idea. Or even in the bars :-) Suw even i feel a bit sad that etech's over for another year TrevorFSmith The conference isn't over, it's just moving online. Well, it's moving into bars, and then online. :-) Suw it never moved offline for me ;-) cheesebikini anyone staying over tonight/ st pats craziness? cybaea http://elance.com/ jseng joined the chat room. jseng ~jseng@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com jseng cybaea Also try http://www.designoutpost.com/ jseng left the chat room. jseng ~jseng@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Client Quit jseng jbond once you check into etech you can never leave. Like #joiito cybaea (For design, not code.) MattJones I think Matt Webb will transcribe the bits of paper on the 3Books board onto his site, http://www.interconnected.org/hom​e jbond staying overnight. Figure I'll probably give shamrock a miss Suw ha ha ha MattJones we did it at another conference and it worked well: http://www.heyotwell.com/heyblog/​archives/2004/11/design_engaged_2.​html Suw i would really like to see/hear video/audio of danny's session BigD we got raffle tickets at the Make thing yesterday ryanco i just hired some guys on elance to do my work for me the rest of the week ... I'm staying over now BigD dude said it was to keep us around today mlinksva_ left the chat room. mlinksva_ ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com mlinksva_ NelsonMinar skiplists! I did a class project in 1990 on skip lists. they're cool crysflame hi matt jones MattJones hi crysflame waves TrevorFSmith left the chat room. TrevorFSmith ~Snak@TrevorFSmith.student.supporter.pdpc Remote closed the connection TrevorFSmith MattJones hey - anyone feel that etech has been kind of 'chilled' this year? cheesebikini oui cybaea Mmm, remote power cycling. Let's get physical. jrnoded define chilled NelsonMinar http://www.hp.com/rnd/index.htm NelsonMinar left the chat room. NelsonMinar ~nelson@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com NelsonMinar grepawk yes my laptop is all cold on top and real hot on my lap jbond http://www.sixapart.com/pronet/doc​s/powertools it was thre trailing slash NelsonMinar joined the chat room. NelsonMinar ~nelson@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com NelsonMinar JeffClavier joined the chat room. JeffClavier ~chatzilla@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com JeffClavier cybaea Thanks jbond Suw experienced through vidchat, it's hard to tell what temperature it was MattJones jrnoded : i feel like it's been sort of less frantic and overwhelming than previous years, with the exception of some of the hardware and dna hacking stuff holgate joined the chat room. holgate ~nick@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com holgate plasticbag joined the chat room. plasticbag ~tom@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com plasticbag MattJones more considered plasticbagUK joined the chat room. plasticbagUK ~tom@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com plasticbagUK ryanco more commercial? cybaea Less new. cheesebikini but less surprising jrnoded MattJones: I agree with that. cybaea Less on the edge, despit the Nokia talk :-P cheesebikini no roombas jrnoded Less commercial than last year. Remember roomba? bees left the chat room. bees ~cal@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) bees tengi killer roombas termie JeffClavier: you? on irc? my mind is blown. cheesebikini bring on the roomba jokes deadringr joined the chat room. deadringr ~deadrngr@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com deadringr ccoryell lots of british accents in the presentations cybaea No RAID on Bloglines genmon joined the chat room. genmon ~genmon@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com genmon jibot genmon is http://interconnected.org/home (matt webb) and preacherman MattJones PREACHERMAAAN chrismay left the chat room. chrismay ~chrismay@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) chrismay esigler left the chat room. esigler ~esigler@CPE-24-166-188-220.kc.rr.com esigler cybaea Hi Matt NelsonMinar no hardware raid on bloglines. cheesebikini i miss the locative stuff... locative dream team... sexygirl153 joined the chat room. sexygirl153 ~cal@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com sexygirl153 jibot sexygirl153 is a sexy girl ChrisDodo mwebb: reading Designing Visual Interfaces by some of the old Sun people? cybaea Matt: is your presentation online? lobo_ joined the chat room. lobo_ ~a@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com lobo_ genmon hey folks jbond etech05 was Brit year genmon chrisdodo: nope, i haven't. i should? ChrisDodo it's all about placement of buttons and bevels Suw brits++ genmon cybaea: no, not yet. there are a ton of copyrighted images in there i need to strip out. when i refine my notes i'll post those NelsonMinar he recommends Linux software raid 1 wacky ChrisDodo http://www.guuui.com/posting.php?i​d=125 oh, not that book deadringr I've found soft raid on Linux to be stable as well... working well for a few years for me deadringr is now known as RichardYoo. RichardYoo deadringr deadringr NelsonMinar raid 1 is pretty conservative, too tengi left the chat room. tengi ~tengi@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com tengi NelsonMinar hard to get raid 1 wrong genmon chris, where are you right now? ChrisDodo ah, it may have changed cover in the bloooguelines talk nearly finished RichardYoo nods noidfish so i recently lost a lot of data from some raid disks MattJones genmon : also, AskTog has some nice discussion of oldskool UI and cogsci stuff - the physics of attention and the pop-up animated cartoon gopher springs to mind noidfish 2 hardware failiures in quick sucession NelsonMinar I lost some data on a RAID 0 array recently. mobo fried, I didn't have a way to read them mattb raid != no need for backup :) noidfish mattb: exactly RichardYoo agrees with mattb cybaea Backup? what's a backup? ChrisDodo http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obido​s/ASIN/0133033899/ # it seems incredibly expensive for such a small book, but it's worth it genmon mattjones: cool, i'll look into that. throw urls my way if you find any Suw cybaea: something i keep meaning to do but never quite get round to NelsonMinar fun conference everyone. bye - eeee! grepawk left the chat room. grepawk ~marstein@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com grepawk jrnoded byebye cybaea Quite a few presentations at http://wiki.oreillynet.com/etech0​5/index.cgi?PresentationSlides RichardYoo waves cybaea Bye NelsonMinar See you next year Suw t'ra! knauer joined the chat room. knauer ~josh@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com knauer genmon mattjones: attention is the weirdest thing. if you've never felt a blink occur, you should try the experiments. it's weird RichardYoo left the chat room. RichardYoo ~deadrngr@ip2.globalevents.iinet.com "Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com" RichardYoo rashmi_s joined the chat room. rashmi_s ~rashmi@adsl-67-125-85-227.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net rashmi_s jbond going to hang out in the lobby for a while. bye everyone else. You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. jibot cheesebikini is Sean Savage and a Berkeley grad student who named flash mobs flash mobs and is busy neglecting his site cheesebikini.com. hou5ton joined the chat room. hou5ton ~hou5ton@n14-99-152-206.tranquility.net hou5ton jibot hou5ton is a social worker from Mid-Missouri jcgregorio joined the chat room. jcgregorio ~chatzilla@adsl-221-13-144.rmo.bellsouth.net jcgregorio zzgavin_ left the chat room. zzgavin_ ~gavin@1009host186.starwoodbroadband.com zzgavin_ NiallKennedy left the chat room. NiallKennedy ~NiallKenn@m206-184.dsl.tsoft.com NiallKennedy noidfish joined the chat room. noidfish ~paul@1009host113.starwoodbroadband.com noidfish holgate joined the chat room. holgate ~nick@1009host198.starwoodbroadband.com holgate hou5ton left the chat room. hou5ton ~hou5ton@n14-99-152-206.tranquility.net hou5ton holgate left the chat room. holgate ~nick@1009host198.starwoodbroadband.com holgate mlinksva left the chat room. mlinksva ~chatzilla@1009host156.starwoodbroadband.com "Chatzilla 0.9.66 [Mozilla rv:1.7.6/20050225]" mlinksva plasticbagUK joined the chat room. plasticbagUK ~tom@1009host192.starwoodbroadband.com plasticbagUK plasticbag joined the chat room. plasticbag ~tom@1009host192.starwoodbroadband.com plasticbag cheesebikini anyone still in SD? noidfish yeah a couple of us cheesebikini going to the block party? noidfish just killing time before my flight tommorow there's a fair crowd here... noidfish left the chat room. noidfish ~paul@1009host113.starwoodbroadband.com noidfish lemonodor left the chat room. lemonodor ~wiseman@il-la.la.idealab.com "Client Exiting" lemonodor holgate joined the chat room. holgate ~nick@1009host198.starwoodbroadband.com holgate cheesebikini wheres "here?" still at westin? holgate left the chat room. holgate ~nick@1009host198.starwoodbroadband.com holgate knauer left the chat room. knauer ~josh@dhcp64-134-209-183.cmsd.snd.wayport.net knauer knauer joined the chat room. knauer ~josh@dhcp64-134-209-183.cmsd.snd.wayport.net knauer jcgregorio left the chat room. jcgregorio ~chatzilla@adsl-221-13-144.rmo.bellsouth.net Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) jcgregorio plasticbagUK what's going on kids? anything? plasticbag left the chat room. plasticbag ~tom@1009host192.starwoodbroadband.com plasticbag jcgregorio joined the chat room. jcgregorio ~chatzilla@adsl-221-13-144.rmo.bellsouth.net jcgregorio rashmi_s left the chat room. rashmi_s ~rashmi@adsl-67-125-85-227.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) rashmi_s miker left the chat room. miker ~miker@66-117-146-194.rdsl.lmi.net miker cheesebikini pbuk: theyve blocked off a few blocks around the intersection of F st. and 6th ave... several stages w/ live bands and so on... gonna head over there in a couple of hours hodder left the chat room. hodder ~chatzilla@1009host185.starwoodbroadband.com Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) hodder Mutiny yeah plasticbagUK hm. could be cool. Mutiny flogging molly is playing i definately recommend you check it out. they are an awesome live band. even if you don't like the music they put on a killer show. cheesebikini right.. flogging molly was main draw for me _joshua what cheesebikini sort of post-pogue american irish pop-punk band.. they put on a good energetic live show (i think theyre from around here no?) $20 cover though plasticbagUK left the chat room. plasticbagUK ~tom@1009host192.starwoodbroadband.com plasticbagUK Mutiny JOSHUA mattb joined the chat room. mattb ~mattb@1009host70.starwoodbroadband.com mattb _joshua MUTINY Mutiny hey! what're you doing tonight? _joshua hey! i'm home already :( i have to go to a meetign in the morning Mutiny hah! too bad mattb left the chat room. mattb ~mattb@1009host70.starwoodbroadband.com Client Quit mattb knauer left the chat room. knauer ~josh@dhcp64-134-209-183.cmsd.snd.wayport.net knauer zzgavin joined the chat room. zzgavin ~gavin@1433ahost50.starwoodbroadband.com zzgavin jcgregorio left the chat room. jcgregorio ~chatzilla@adsl-221-13-144.rmo.bellsouth.net "Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0.1/20050225]" jcgregorio ChrisL_AK joined the chat room. ChrisL_AK ~chatzilla@dhcp206-59-51-121.rlhh.snd.wayport.net ChrisL_AK You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. mrm joined the chat room. mrm ~chatzilla@ip-216-104-79-169.uci.net mrm pnts joined the chat room. pnts ~pnts@cayce.nodehopping.net pnts jemstone joined the chat room. jemstone ~jemstone@12.105.241.21 jemstone KevinMarks evening is back home in SJ jemstone left the chat room. jemstone ~jemstone@12.105.241.21 jemstone You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. jibot cheesebikini is Sean Savage and a Berkeley grad student who named flash mobs flash mobs and is busy neglecting his site cheesebikini.com. jbond Cheese! Still here? You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. zzgavin left the chat room. zzgavin ~gavin@1433ahost50.starwoodbroadband.com zzgavin crysflame hi cheese http://www.thejosher.com/googlex/ with images Suw hey You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. kd_lang left the chat room. kd_lang ~kd_lang@samwise.pmi.co.zw "Leaving" kd_lang You left the chat by being disconnected from the server.